[Vision2020] Fw: correcting the record
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Sat Nov 4 18:54:29 PST 2006
Bill, I, too, was surprised at Roger's willingness to do something like
this. I guess we were naive to think Roger Falen would be the gentleman Earl
Bennett was. Even though Don Meyer was the originator of the rumor, Roger
spread it and then Roger let Don take the fall for the lie. We know of one
man who said he voted for Roger because of it, so I guess it worked for a
while, but how sad that a candidate would stoop so low to try to win an
election, and then change his story when the facts don't support his
contention. In a Letter to the Editor Friday, one of the writers called
Roger a man of integrity. Wonder if he feels that way now?
Sue Hovey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
To: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>; "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>;
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] correcting the record
>I am responding to Roger Falen's information regarding Don Meyer. Earlier
> today Roger said Don did not remember exact details correctly. Roger and
> Don have both been caught in a lie and now Roger tries to blame it all on
> Don. I called Don yesterday after his letter came out in the Daily News,
> and I would say his replies to me were patently fabrication, but
> nevertheless, quite specific.
>
> 1. I asked him where and when the meeting took place. He was
> emphatic--it
> was a VFW meeting and it took place in 2000 or 2002.
> 2. I asked him who saw Shirley refuse to stand for the Pledge. His
> reply,
> "I saw her."
> 3. I asked him if there were others who might validate his claim. His
> reply, "Gary Schroeder and Tom Trail were there and also Roger Falen."
> 4. I told him I would be contacting Gary and Tom and he replied, "Well
> they might not have been there, I can't remember."
> 5. To emphasize my point, I asked again, "You say you saw her "refuse" to
> stand. His reply: "Well I won't say she refused, but she didn't get up."
> 6. I reminded him that his letter used the word, "refused," to which he
> replied, "Maybe she didn't refuse, she just did not stand."
> 7. I said to him, "It's clear you have not told the truth. Do you
> realize that what you printed in the paper could be called libel?" And
> his
> reply, "It isn't libel if it's a politician."
> 8. I then asked him about Roger Falen. "Did Roger see Shirley?" His
> reply, "It has been a while, I'm not sure Roger was there, either." So I
> asked him specifically who else might have been there and observed
> Shirley,
> and he couldn't remember anyone.
> 9. And then he told me he had to leave and hung up.
>
> And now Roger says Don is mixed up in his facts. Really!! And Roger has
> just now realized that? Interestingly, Roger was the one who was
> spreading
> the rumor to his friends in the Genesee Post Office. And his comments
> related specifically to, "a meeting in Troy where Shirley did not stand
> for
> the flag salute." And that was the rumor printed in the paper. I had a
> friend ask me about it. Her husband had heard it here in Moscow as early
> as
> last week.
> You are welcome to draw your own conclusions regarding who is lying--Don
> with his letter to the editor, or Roger who ran with the tale, but now
> tries
> to place all the blame on Don. The facts are: 1. Shirley did not
> attend
> a VFW meeting in Troy in 2000 or ANY OTHER TIME. 2. As a teacher for more
> than 30 years, Shirley not only stood for the pledge, she often led her
> students in it. As a member of the Idaho Legislature Shirley rises with
> the
> other legislators each morning to say the pledge. And lastly: The Falon
> campaign owes Shirley an apology.. The lie they spread has scattered now.
> There is no taking it back. No matter that Roger Falen is amending his
> claims, his words are built on a lie. His only moral recourse is to say
> to
> Shirley Ringo, "I'm sorry." And he might consider an apology to Don Meyer
> as well, for laying all the blame at his door.
>
> Sue Hovey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>
> To: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] correcting the record
>
>
>> Hello Roger,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response and explanation. I appreciate it. Had I
>> received this information, I would not have sent my post. Actually, I
>> still
>> don't have it or the one I sent earlier by the way, but I'll blame my
>> server
>> for that.
>>
>> Warren Hayman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] correcting the record
>>
>>
>>> As i have said previously this was sent accidentally and before I had
>>> completed it or had made corrections. I am a poor typer and frequently
>>> hit
>>> the wrong key, in addition to having only three fingers on one hand. I
>>> go
>>> through my posts and clean them up before I sent them. This was sent
>>> before I had a chance to do that.
>>> Thanks for your indulgence.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: "Warren Hayman" whayman at adelphia.net
>>> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:19:14 -0800
>>> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] correcting the record
>>>
>>>> Mr Falen,
>>>>
>>>> I would expect a political candidate posting on a public forum to
>>>> correctly
>>>> finish and spell all of the words in the text, especially such ones as
>>>> "voted" and "Kempthorne" among several others.
>>>>
>>>> Such inattention decreases credibility.
>>>>
>>>> Warren Hayman
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:53 AM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] correcting the record
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > In a letter to the Editor by Phyllis Solomon that was printed in the
>>>> > DN
>>>> > and the Argonaut and posted on vision2020 by Tom Hansen, she says I
>>>> > misquted or twisted what Shirley said. She and shirley sa that what
>>>> > Shirley said at a poverty forum at UI was " Sometimes when your
>>>> > numbers
>>>> > are small you have to use legislative procedures rather than btute
>>>> > strengh
>>>> > toaccomplish your goal" She may vary well have said this, I don't
>>>> > know.
>>>> > The quote I used was made at the UI commons 4/25/o6. It is "When
>>>> > you're
>>>> > in
>>>> > a minority group, like the Democrats, you don't have a lot of power
>>>> > to
>>>> > get
>>>> > things done"
>>>> >
>>>> > In response to a letter to the Editor by Don Meyer in which he
>>>> > critisezed
>>>> > Shirley for not suporting the pledge, Shirley last night maintaien
>>>> > that
>>>> > she respected the pledge and had always stood for it That she has
>>>> > always
>>>> > stood for it may be techancally correct. The event in question was
>>>> > the
>>>> > dedication of the new Troy High School. Govenor Kirk Kemthorne gave a
>>>> > speach about how Idaho was part of the suit defending the Pledge of
>>>> > Allegiance that was before the Supreme Court. The whole crowd stood
>>>> > up
>>>> > and
>>>> > gave gave him a standing ovation except for Shirley and some of the
>>>> > other
>>>> > speakers, who remained seated. I don't think this shows respect for
>>>> > the
>>>> > pledge.
>>>> > She has voated against the Pledge three times.
>>>> > H
>>>> >
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>>>
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