[Vision2020] [Spam] Re: [Spam] A Question for Roger Falen

[lfalen]

I would be in favor of teaching philosophy, ethics and logic in grade school. I an not familiar with Descartes Meditation III. I have a fairly extensive library, I will have to see if I have it.

Roger
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From: Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:41:33 -0800
To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] [Spam]  A Question for Roger Falen

> For the most part, I like these answers, Roger. Thanks!
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> One sticky issue comes up when you write: "The only thing being said is that the existence of a supreme being cannot be scientifically proven and therefore should not be taught as science."
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> For one thing, you should look at Descartes first proof of the existence of God in Meditation III. It is pretty good!
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> For another, the issue is not just whether or not God can be proven to exist. God might have created a world that went through evolutionary processes -- thus, the belief in God does not conflict with the belief in evolution. But many religions believe that the earth is much younger than actual fossil records attest. What do we do in this case? Whom do we say is in error? Isn’t this, too, a reason why creationism should not be taught in science classes?
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> I agree with you, though, that it wouldn’t hurt to discuss these issues in classrooms, which is why I advocate teaching philosophy in grade school. I'm interested to know what you think about that, too.
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> Best, Joe
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> ---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote: 
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> Nick
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> Evolution and a supreme being are not mutually exclusive. Evolution is a fact that can be documented by scientific evidence. All but 4% of the DNA of humans and chimpanzees are the same. Evolution is science and should be taught is biology classes. religion is based on faith  and should not be taught as science. See the case of Tammey Kitzmiller vs Dover Area school District. The ruling was against the teaching of Intelligent Design as science.The judge was John E Jones III. He is a Conservative Republican and anything but an activist judge. Evolution does not negate the existence of a supreme being.
> The only thing being said is that the existence 0f a supreme being can  not be scientifically proven and therefore should not be taught as science.
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> As you said all world religions should be taught in our schools. What is prohibited by the Constitution is the teaching of a state sponsored religion. I believe people should be free to worship as they please. To prevent them from doing so is a violation of their Constitutional Rights. In France the girls from a religious group were prevented from waring  religious apparel to class. I believe this violated there religious freedom. The trouble with yes or no surveys is that a lot of questions require a more detailed explanation. This is why I did not answer some questions . It is obvious (dure to the misinterpretation) I should have left more blank.
> In answer to Shirley's comments I do support  including the Bible in literature and history classes.
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> I hope this answers your questions
> 
> Roger
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> From: nickgier at adelphia.net
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:01:04 -0800
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] A Question for Roger Falen
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> > Hi Roger:
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> > I consider you a friend, so I ask this question with the greatest respect.  I read your response to Jim Fisher's editorial, but I don't think that you answered his question completely.
> > 
> > Here is the first paragraph of Fisher's piece: "Latah County legislative candidate Roger Falen says Idaho's public schools should be permitted to teach that man is a created being, not an evolved being -- but only in social studies classes. What does he want taught in biology classes, the reverse?"
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> > Should public school social science teachers teach that human beings are created?  The disciplines of anthropology and psychology assume evolution to be true, so how could that be done?
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> > I'm all for teaching world religions in our schools, but again the teacher would not take any position one way or another on creation or definitely not prefer one creation story over another.
> > 
> > I'd like a little more clarification of your position.
> > 
> > Nick
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