[Vision2020] Iraq's My Lai Massacre
rvrcowboy
rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Tue May 30 09:35:46 PDT 2006
Keely wrote: "But what most people seem capable of understanding is that
Nick is a man of insight and compassion, and his vehement opposition to the
war in Iraq is not the same thing as personal animus toward our troops."
Keely,
Believe what you want but anyone who posted the crap Gier posted in this
forum on Memorial Day, the day we are to honor our fallen soldiers, has no
compassion for our troops. He may not have any "personal animus" toward
them but he certainly displays personal gratification when they are accused
of a heinous crime. His politics are more important to him that his
compassion for the troops. He has proven that by his post.
As for what I wrote to J Ford; He is a completely different person, from
Gier. Yes, he does protest the war but he is compassionate about it and
does it with love, dignity and respect for our soldiers. I disagree with
some of his logic but I respect his presentation and his right to hold
different views than others. I didn't notice any postings from him here,
accusing our troops of murder and terrorism, or assuming they are guilty
before a fair investigation and hearing. Gier is an educated man, he knew
full well the effect of his posting and we all know his motive, it is
obvious if you go back and read his other postings concerning the war and
out troops. He will use anyone and anything to make his political
position.... He is an ass!
"I think the five bucks
> he gave to the gentleman from the VFW is a symbol of the esteem with which
> he holds our servicemen and women." (Keeley)
I think he gave the gentleman five bucks to soothe his conscience, boost his
ego and give him something to brag about. Just like his statement of
5/29;I'm going to help my Indian graduate student friend move from Denver to
Houston next week, so I am recording two radio commentaries today." Who
cares that his friend is Indian? Gier just wants to make sure we all know
he is a diverse fellow. Also his posting, condemning all the people he
claims are Republicans for sexual crimes, attempting to give the impression
only Republicans are guilty of such crimes: Everything Gier does is for
political purpose only, it has nothing to do with holding anyone in high
esteem, except Nick Gier. He is an ass!
You suggest that others tone down their rhetoric. Well, I would suggest the
same to Gier. His rhetoric is as obvious as his bias. Why any intelligent
person would be a Gier boot licker and defend his personal ego diatribe is
beyond me. Despite all his intellectual acumen and his education, his real
feelings toward our soldiers are as obvious as an open book. He believes
anything is fair ammunition in his war on anyone politically different from
himself, even the very soldiers he claims to care about. He is a pompous
ass!
Comparing Gier to J. Ford is like comparing swine to a silk purse in this
case. It is not always what one protests that makes a difference but how
one protests. Some do it with dignity and respect and others do it with
vitrolic and disrespect. Gier is the latter of the two. He is an ass!
Believe me, I do know my target long before I fire. I also take off my
blinders before pulling the trigger. I suggest you do likewise.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
<nickgier at adelphia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iraq's My Lai Massacre
> Here's some info, Dick, that you might want to consider:
>
> The reason no one is "fooled" into thinking Nick is a Christian is that
he's
> been as open as anyone can be about his non-Christian beliefs. That
doesn't
> make him a bad person. It simply makes him someone who holds to religious
> views that are different from yours. Or mine, for that matter.
>
> But what most people seem capable of understanding is that Nick is a man
of
> insight and
> compassion, and his vehement opposition to the war in Iraq is not the same
> thing as personal animus toward our troops. On the contrary -- he's
stated
> that we have the highest-quality armed forces in the world and has
defended
> the integrity of our men and women serving in Iraq. I think the five
bucks
> he gave to the gentleman from the VFW is a symbol of the esteem with which
> he holds our servicemen and women. That you hold even that in contempt
is,
> well, contemptible.
>
> Your reasonably gracious response to J Ford yesterday gave me hope that
you
> had toned down your rhetoric a little bit, but I can see that you're just
as
> combative as ever. But, as every good soldier knows, you ought to know
your
> target before you fire.
>
> keely
>
>
> From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iraq's My Lai Massacre
> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:04:36 -0700
>
> Actually, Mr. Gier, I am not really all that interested in reading the
> retirement letters written by you students. I am only interested in your
> obvious bias in the information you present concerning our troops. You
are
> such a phony when you present yourself as a person who cares about them.
> Big deal, "gave the VFW fellow $5 and thanked him for his service to our
> country", how very noble of you, while you post posionous accusations on
> this forum about our present soldiers, still in harms way.
>
> You may have fooled your students into thinking you are a Christian but
you
> haven't fooled anyone else about it. I said it before and I will say it
> again... You are an ass.
>
> Dick Sherwin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:07 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Iraq's My Lai Massacre
>
>
> > Greetings:
> >
> > Now that I'm retired and my brain is going sof, it's good to now that
> there is someone in Lewiston to keep track of my motivations and to
clarify
> my intentions for me and others on this list. This person is such a seer
> that he thinks he knows what went on in my classrooms.
> >
> > On Saturday as I went in to buy groceries for the Sunday dinner I
> prepared, I gave the VFW fellow $5 and thanked him for his service to our
> country. Early on the in the debate about the war, I made it clear that
> with few exceptions our troops were the best trained in the world. It
just
> tried to find the letter to Daily News in which I said that, but I could
not
> find it in my "out" file.
> >
> > The worst possible decision a president can make is to put the best
> troops
> in the world in countries where we have no right to be. The Johnson
> administration placed U. S. troops on the losing side of a civil war in
> Vietnam, and then Nixon intervened on the side of the right wingers in
> Cambodia led right into the Killing Fields.
> >
> > Our fine soldiers are now in a country in which it is very clear that
we
> are not welcome. I'm not sure how I would react if I find my buddies
being
> killed left and right by the people that we are supposed to liberate. I
> don't blame the troops, I blame the Bush administration for replaying
> Vietnam in the Middle East. These are wasted lives. Their tragic
sacrifice
> has made us less free and less secure.
> >
> > If my Lewiston "minder" is interested, I would like to share with him
> some
> retirement letters my students wrote on my behalf. It would give a
> different view of what he thinks went on my classes. My favorite memory
are
> the students in my philosophy of religion class who thought I was a
> Christian.
> >
> > Nick Gier
> >
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