[Vision2020] Iraq's My Lai Massacre

[rvrcowboy]

Tom Hansen wrote:
"Does this article, posted publicly in the Army Times, suggest that the Army
Times maintains some sort of unethical ulterior motive, dick?"

Taken from Mr. Hansen's post:
 "A separate investigation is seeking to determine if Marines lied to cover
up the killings."
And:  "A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, Lt. Col.
Scott Fazekas, declined to comment on the status of the investigation. He
said no information would be provided until the probe was completed."

You will notice that the investigation is not completed as yet.  Responsible
people, decline comment and refuse to try the accused in the court of public
opinion, at least until all the facts are in.  On the other hand; You, Tom,
and your co-horts like Mr. Gier, can't wait to use the opportunity to smear
our military men and women for your own political gain.  If, and when, these
allegations are proven to be true, I suspect people like you will be
salivating all over yourselves in delight.  Anything to strengthen  your
position that the US and the military are evil and just out to kill
innocents to advance the cause of the rich establishment.

Whatever happened to the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"?
However this tragic story concludes, the real tragedy will be the delight
people like you and Gier take in it.  You are all phonies, anyone can see
through your thin veil of concern and decipher your real motives from the
way you present youselves while claiming to support our fighting men and
women.  You delight in pointing out anything negative about them, proven or
unproven.

I do not detect one morsel of remorse or compassion for the position our
soldiers find themselves in, from you.  Only phony rhetoric and
denounciation of them.

You make me sick.

Dick Sherwin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "'rvrcowboy'" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>; "'Vision2020'"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>; <nickgier at adelphia.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Iraq's My Lai Massacre


> dick stated:
>
> "'Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat and former marine who has
become
> a fierce critic of the Iraq war, said he had no doubt marines killed
> innocent civilians in Haditha and tried to cover up the deaths.'
>
> I think it is disgusting for `people like Nick Gier to post this sort of
> inflammable material to a public forum.  What are his motives?  Is he
trying
> to be a part of the solution to a problem or simply attempting to further
> the rhetoric and anger?"
>
> Copied and pasted below from today's (May 29, 2006) Early Bird edition of
> the Army Times with special thanks to Robert Burns, Army Times reporter.
>
> Does this article, posted publicly in the Army Times, suggest that the
Army
> Times maintains some sort of unethical ulterior motive, dick?
>
> Is the Army Times "trying to be a part of the solution to a problem or
> simply attempting to further the rhetoric and anger?"
>
> The Army Times also publishes a weekly list of the Human Toll in relation
to
> combat operations in Iraq; a list (name, home of record, unit of
assignment,
> place/date of death) that is publicly displayed within the Army Times.
One
> can only imagine what horribly heinous motive you attribute to such
> publication, dick.
>
> Perhaps you would like to share these motives with us?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Investigators believe Marines murdered civilians
>
> By Robert Burns
> Army Times reporter
>
> Investigators believe that their criminal investigation into the deaths of
> about two dozen Iraqi civilians points toward a conclusion that Marines
> committed unprovoked murders, a senior defense official said Friday.
>
> The Marine Corps initially reported 15 deaths and said they were caused by
a
> roadside bomb and an ensuing firefight with insurgents. A separate
> investigation is seeking to determine if Marines lied to cover up the
> killings.
>
> The official, who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity because
he
> was not authorized to discuss the yet-to-be-completed investigation, said
> the evidence developed by investigators strongly indicates the killings
last
> November in the insurgent-plagued city of Haditha in the western province
of
> Anbar were unjustified.
>
> The official did not disclose specific evidence. The incident, if
confirmed,
> could be the most serious case of criminal misconduct by U.S. troops
during
> three years of combat in Iraq.
>
> In an indication of how seriously the Marines consider it, their top
> officer, Gen. Michael W. Hagee, flew to Iraq on Thursday to reinforce the
> need to adhere to Marine values and standards of behavior and to avoid the
> use of excess force.
>
> A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, Lt. Col. Scott
> Fazekas, declined to comment on the status of the investigation. He said
no
> information would be provided until the probe was completed.
>
> According to a congressional aide, lawmakers were told in a briefing
> Thursday that it appears as many as two dozen civilians were killed in the
> episode at Haditha. And they were told that the investigation will find
that
> "it will be clear that this was not the result of an accident or a normal
> combat situation."
>
> Another congressional official said lawmakers were told it would be about
30
> days before a report would be issued by the investigating agency, the
Naval
> Criminal Investigative Service.
>
> Both the House and Senate armed services committees plan to hold hearings
on
> the matter.
>
> Hagee met with top lawmakers from those panels this week to bring them up
to
> date on the investigation.
>
> "I can say that there are established facts that incidents of a very
serious
> nature did take place," Sen. John Warner, chairman of the Senate panel,
said
> Thursday. He would not provide details or confirm reports that about 24
> civilians were killed. He told reporters he had "no basis to believe" the
> military engaged in a cover-up.
>
> In the Haditha case, videotape aired by an Arab television station showed
> images purportedly taken in the aftermath of the encounter: a bloody
bedroom
> floor, bullet holes in walls and bodies of women and children. An Iraqi
> human rights group called for an investigation of what it described as
> another deadly mistake that had harmed civilians.
>
> On May 17, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., a decorated former Marine, said Marine
> Corps officials told him the toll in the Haditha attack was far worse than
> originally reported and that U.S. troops killed innocent women and
children
> "in cold blood." He said that nearly twice as many people were killed than
> first reported, maintaining that U.S. forces are "overstretched and
> overstressed" by the war in Iraq.
>
> Pentagon spokesman Eric Ruff said Friday he believes the investigation is
> winding down, but he would not comment on what the evidence shows.
>
> Ruff would not characterize the extent of Defense Secretary Donald H.
> Rumsfeld's concern about the matter, but said he is being kept apprised of
> the investigations.
>
> Ruff said he did not expect any announcements in the next few days.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Seeya rouind town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the
tranquil
> and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>
> --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>
>