[Vision2020] Ethical Shortcomings & Professionalism
Ted Moffett
starbliss at gmail.com
Sat May 27 16:14:44 PDT 2006
Gary et. al.
I did not know who Crabtree was in any way whatsoever till these Vision2020
posts revealed his identity (after my recent post on Crabtree posting
private e-mail to the Vision2020 list), well, except that he probably was a
local person (not always the case on Vision2020), a male, who posts to
Vision2020, with certain views on certain issues.
Now I discover he is a locksmith. If he is the same local locksmith who I
have received services from numerous times in the past, I can say I have
always been treated professionally and courteously, and would not hesitate
to seek his services again, though now he may decline to offer them to me,
which is his right.
I have numerous and great ethical shortcomings, but this does not prevent me
from approaching my work (at this point in my life) from the orientation of
customer service with as much integrity as I can. Crabtree may also
approach his professional work with total integrity and honesty.
Human beings are complex animals, more complex than anyone really
understands, and it is possible to have major flaws in one area of life yet
be a saint in another. Wasn't Gandhi a jerk to his family sometimes? Maybe
Nick can chime in on this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhism#Criticism.2C_Controversy_and_the_Cult
*See Also: An Autobiography, Or The Story Of My Experiments With
Truth<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_My_Experiments_with_Truth>
*
Mohandas Gandhi's early life was a series of personal struggles to decipher
the truth about life's important issues and discover the true way of living.
As a lad, he was guilty of beating his young wife, for indulging in carnal
pleasures out of lust, jealousy and possessiveness, not genuine love. He was
guilty of experimenting with meat and smoking a cigarette, and narrowly
escaped enjoying a prostitute. It was only after much personal turmoil and
repeated failures, did Gandhi finally succeed to become who he was.
His candid confessions in his 1929 autobiography were avoidable had he
chosen to conceal these unpleasant facts for fear of loss of respect and
support amongst the people. But Gandhi personally disliked having a cult
following, and was averse to his being addressed to as *Mahatma*, for he was
fully aware he was not a perfect human being.
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Ted Moffett
On 5/21/06, g. crabtree <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> I was going to try to steer clear of this topic and move on to more
> interesting matters, but this most recent thread seems to demand a response.
> I did indeed post an off list reply in full and unedited, and I do not
> think that it was in any way a "serious ethical fault." Here are the reasons
> why.
>
> 1. The response was to a publicly debated topic.
>
> 2. The discussion was being conducted in a public forum
>
> 3. The threat involved going to a public place and doing violence to my
> private nose.
>
> 4. Mr. Campbell aspires to hold a public office.
>
> 5. Mr. Campbell sees fit to lecture the public on the virtue of tolerance.
>
>
>
> I receive many off list communications. When the sender requests privacy
> or confidentiality, I respect their wishes. When they don't, I assume that
> the information contained is mine to do with as I will (although if you send
> me mail and threaten to do me bodily harm and keep it under my hat be
> advised right now that I most likely won't).
>
> With regard to Mr. Fox's attempt to interfere with my ability to provide
> for my family, all I can say is as a locksmith and security consultant the
> most valuable thing I have is my reputation. As a member of the security
> profession I am privy to a great deal of sensitive information and public
> trust. I'll leave it up to the membership to decide for themselves if
> this incident should change any of that. Needless to say, should Mr. Fox
> find himself in need of my services, I would respectfully suggest that
> he make other arrangements.
>
> G. Crabtree
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:02 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical
> Fault
>
>
> I think Gary would probably have enough integrity to decline signing you
> up as a customer Wayne. I also don't think that Gary takes v2020 all that
> serious which is why he's a master at baiting most of us. You could call
> him a master baiter.
>
> I'd have no problem doing business with Gary.
>
> -Scott
>
> *Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>* wrote:
>
> Sunil, Keely
>
> When I was small, a respected elder said to me:
>
> "If you do not want to be thought a liar, then start by not telling lies."
>
> Hence, if you do not want to be thought of as lacking integrity, than
> start
> with showing that you do not lack integrity.
>
> There is no absolute connection between Gary's intentional outing of Joe's
>
> message and his ethics as a locksmith. However, I predict the probability
> of someone's future actions by all their past actions in context that I am
>
> aware of. You can make your own judgments.
>
> I would not think of not doing business with Gary on the basis of his
> opinions so far expressed here. However, this last incident has nothing to
>
> do with the gist of his opinions. This last incident after Ted , Sunil,
> and
> others discussed it has given me pause about doing business based on an
> assessment of the strength of his integrity under the pressure of stress
> and
> ill-will.
>
>
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
>
>
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