<div>Gary et. al.</div>
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<div>I did not know who Crabtree was in any way whatsoever till these Vision2020 posts revealed his identity (after my recent post on Crabtree posting private e-mail to the Vision2020 list), well, except that he probably was a local person (not always the case on Vision2020), a male, who posts to Vision2020, with certain views on certain issues.
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<div>Now I discover he is a locksmith. If he is the same local locksmith who I have received services from numerous times in the past, I can say I have always been treated professionally and courteously, and would not hesitate to seek his services again, though now he may decline to offer them to me, which is his right.
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<div>I have numerous and great ethical shortcomings, but this does not prevent me from approaching my work (at this point in my life) from the orientation of customer service with as much integrity as I can. Crabtree may also approach his professional work with total integrity and honesty.
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<div>Human beings are complex animals, more complex than anyone really understands, and it is possible to have major flaws in one area of life yet be a saint in another. Wasn't Gandhi a jerk to his family sometimes? Maybe Nick can chime in on this...
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<div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhism#Criticism.2C_Controversy_and_the_Cult">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhism#Criticism.2C_Controversy_and_the_Cult</a></div>
<p><i>See Also: <a title="The Story of My Experiments with Truth" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_My_Experiments_with_Truth">An Autobiography, Or The Story Of My Experiments With Truth</a></i></p>
<p>Mohandas Gandhi's early life was a series of personal struggles to decipher the truth about life's important issues and discover the true way of living.</p>
<p>As a lad, he was guilty of beating his young wife, for indulging in carnal pleasures out of lust, jealousy and possessiveness, not genuine love. He was guilty of experimenting with meat and smoking a cigarette, and narrowly escaped enjoying a prostitute. It was only after much personal turmoil and repeated failures, did Gandhi finally succeed to become who he was.
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<div>His candid confessions in his 1929 autobiography were avoidable had he chosen to conceal these unpleasant facts for fear of loss of respect and support amongst the people. But Gandhi personally disliked having a cult following, and was averse to his being addressed to as
<i>Mahatma</i>, for he was fully aware he was not a perfect human being.</div>
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<div>The Ebay feedback for a businessperson (me) who has serious ethical faults:</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/21/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">g. crabtree</b> <<a href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">jampot@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I was going to try to steer clear of this topic and move on to more interesting matters, but this most recent thread seems to demand a response. I did indeed post an</font><font face="Arial" size="2">
off list reply in full and unedited, and I do not think that it was in any way a "serious ethical fault." Here are the reasons why.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1. The response was to a publicly debated topic.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2. The </font><font face="Arial" size="2">discussion was being conducted in a public forum</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">3. The threat involved going to a public place and doing violence to my private nose.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">4. Mr. Campbell aspires to hold a public office.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">5. Mr. Campbell sees fit to lecture the public on the virtue of tolerance.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I receive many off list communications. When the sender requests privacy or confidentiality, I respect their wishes. When they don't, I assume that the information contained is mine to do with as I will (although if you send me mail and threaten to do me bodily harm and keep it under my hat be advised right now that I most likely won't).
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">With regard to Mr. Fox's attempt to interfere with my ability to provide for my family, all I can say is as a locksmith and security consultant the most valuable thing I have is my reputation. As a member of the security profession I am privy to a great deal of sensitive information and public trust. I'll leave it up to the membership to decide for themselves if this incident should change any of that. Needless to say, should Mr. Fox find himself in need of my services, I would respectfully suggest that he make other arrangements.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">G. Crabtree</font></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="sdredge@yahoo.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Scott Dredge</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">Vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:02 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault</div>
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<div><span class="e" id="q_10b598bc35cc6fd8_4">I think Gary would probably have enough integrity to decline signing you up as a customer Wayne. I also don't think that Gary takes v2020 all that serious which is why he's a master at baiting most of us. You could call him a master baiter.
<br><br>I'd have no problem doing business with Gary.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><b><i>Art Deco <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>>
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<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">Sunil, Keely<br><br>When I was small, a respected elder said to me:<br><br>"If you do not want to be thought a liar, then start by not telling lies."
<br><br>Hence, if you do not want to be thought of as lacking integrity, than start <br>with showing that you do not lack integrity.<br><br>There is no absolute connection between Gary's intentional outing of Joe's <br>message and his ethics as a locksmith. However, I predict the probability
<br>of someone's future actions by all their past actions in context that I am <br>aware of. You can make your own judgments.<br><br>I would not think of not doing business with Gary on the basis of his <br>opinions so far expressed here. However, this last incident has nothing to
<br>do with the gist of his opinions. This last incident after Ted , Sunil, and <br>others discussed it has given me pause about doing business based on an <br>assessment of the strength of his integrity under the pressure of stress and
<br>ill-will.<br><br><br>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a><br></blockquote><br></span></div>
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