[Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police UnionStandNot a Conflict

Wed May 24 19:35:08 PDT 2006

Wayne,

 If you didn't want public comment on why you think we  need better MPD officers and we would get it through the officers  paying a union, why did you put it on Vision 2020, a public forum? 

  Nice try dodging of the question. 

  Regards,

  _DJA

Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:          Donovan,

  You  may find many of my comments about the MPD in the archives.  Have  at it.  My original question was directed at Gary Crabtree.

  W.
  ----- Original Message -----   From: Donovan Arnold 
  To: Art   Deco ; Vision 2020 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police   UnionStandNot a Conflict

Wayne,

It  is my contention that no proof has been provided that a union  will  improve the competency of  the MPD-which is not needed  anyway, our police are highly competent.

Why are you dodging my  question? Why do you think that our police are not good enough? What  are you saying is wrong with them?

You appear to be the only one saying that they   are not good enough. I would like to know why you think   that?

Regards,

_DJA

Art Deco   <deco at moscow.com> wrote:                Donovan,

    Is  it your contention that there is nothing about the MPD that either  needs improvement or is likely to need improvement in the  future or actions to prevent degradation in the future?

    W.

    -----     Original Message -----     From:     Donovan Arnold 
    To: Art     Deco ; Vision 2020 
    Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:54 AM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police     UnionStandNot a Conflict

"Is it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working 
conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more 
able, effective police officers?" Wayne Fox (Art Deco)

Wayne, sounds to me that you are saying our police are not
able or effective enough for Moscow. I am happy with the ones
we got. Why do we need to have better ones, assuming there are better ones?

_DJA

Art     Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:     Gary,

Is       it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working       
conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more       
able, effective police officers?

W.

----- Original Message       ----- 
From: "g. crabtree" 
To: "Tom Hansen"       ; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: Re:       [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police 
UnionStandNot a       Conflict

> First name familiarity and approachability are       charming concepts but I 
> really do not see how they out weigh the       negatives of the union or even 
> enhance law enforcement in the       community in any appreciable way. (this 
> isn't Detroit or Newark       after all) Perhaps it would be good if you did go 
> on a bit longer       because the only picture I get is of my tax bill going 
> through the       roof and nothing of substance to show for it, except a fatter 
> union       and big grins on a couple of councilmen.
>
> gc
> -----       Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Hansen" 
> To: "'g. crabtree'" ;       "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
> 
> Sent:       Monday, May 22, 2006 7:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Stout Not       Wrong n Union Support / Police Union 
> StandNot a       Conflict
>
>
>> One MAJOR problem that the Moscow       Police Department is experiencing is 
>> lack
>> of       continuity. After a year officers tend to pack up and move to 
>>       "greener
>> pastures", primarily due to wages/salaries that are not       competitive (here 
>> in
>> Moscow) with other       comparably-sized community police departments.
>> Ultimately this       results in loss of quality police officers.
>>
>>       Establishing a police union will ensure the rights and privileges for       our
>> police department; rights and privileges that have up until       just recently
>> received nothing more than lip service from our       city council.
>>
>> Once continuity is established, the       community becomes familiar with 
>> members
>> of its       police force. The community gains first name familiarity with       the
>> officers responsible for protecting its streets. This level       of 
>> familiarity
>> breeds a relationship where police       officers become very approachable.
>>
>> I could go on and       on about how such a relationship benefits the
>> neighborhoods, but       I am sure you get the picture already.
>>
>> Tom       Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "If not us,       who?
>> If not now, when?"
>>
>> -       Unknown
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:       g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at adelphia.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 22,       2006 6:58 PM
>> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020
>>       Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police       Union
>> StandNot a Conflict
>>
>> Ray writes a       fine letter as far as it goes. The question I have yet to 
>>       see
>> answered satisfactorily is how is a unionized police force       is good for 
>> the
>> city and by extension the citizens?       It's easy to see that it will be good
>> for the union. More dues.       It will be good for politicians who support it.
>> More       contributions. It might be good for the police. More wages and
>>       benifits, perhaps. But good for the people of Moscow as a whole? That       
>> hasn't
>>
>> been established by any stretch       of the imagination. In fact its not too 
>>       hard
>>
>> to envision several negative outcomes that will       be brought about by union
>> recognition not the least of which       will be greatly increased costs.
>>
>>       gc
>>
>>
>>
>
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