[Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Tue May 23 20:01:45 PDT 2006
Bill,
Your assumptions of the GMA being dumb growth are about as valid as me
saying the MCA is no growth. I am willing to give the MCA a chance if you
will do the same for the GMA, whata say?
MATT
>From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
>To: <FCS at moscow.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
>Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:24:25 -0700
>
>If you are aware of the Dumb Growth model supported by the leadership of
>GMA
>in the past, I fail to understand why you expect them to support a new
>model
>now.
>BL
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Seman" <FCS at moscow.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:50 PM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
>
>
> > Bill,
> > You're right that everyone has their own concepts on "positive
> > community-minded growth." I think too many of Moscow's business leaders
> > have (and continue to) lined their own pockets without any realistic
>notion
> > as to what they are doing to & for the community. I don't know what
> > approach GMA is going to have for their concept and they may follow the
>same
> > lost patterns as other economic development groups, typical local
> > developers, and most government entities. If they are literate enough,
>they
> > will READ Community, SEE Community needs and UNDERSTAND what Community
> > development really is. I've looked at their website and understand who
>is
> > involved on the Board. At this point, I don't know what they
>group-think,
> > but time will expose what GMA understands OF the community and does FOR
>the
> > community.
> >
> > I hope to see development that is different from what has occured in the
> > past, as there is shamefully little past development that has been
> > community-minded. Development, only by it's historic capitalistic
>nature,
> > is developer & economically driven. That model has give the U.S. the
> > souless living & working environments it now enjoys. But why should the
> > financial risk-taker (developer) do anything different to jeapodize
>economic
> > success? Very few are willing to work outside of tested models to bring
> > better quality. It might be because of the increased financial risks,
> > ignorant public resistance, working through unadaptive ordinances, more
> > restrictive processes, or plain disinterest.
> >
> > There are so many stubborn entrenchments in the existing processes that
>need
> > change to give positive direction. To change the model into one that
> > naturally INCLUDES community (is community-MINDED), all parties need to
> > participate in sharing the risks (and rewards.) What incentives could
>be
> > implemented to change the model into one that does this? Financial
> > contributions could come from a variety of community sources (Food Co-Op
> > model) to dilute risk, the Community could be a partner to identify a
>need
> > and guarantee occupancy & project success, other fractional ownerships
>could
> > provide incentives for mulitple-owners to attract needed "industry" to
>town
> > (similar to Alturus, but with greater community-mindedness), there are
>many
> > options available if parties are open to changning their mindsets.
> >
> > The problem is not growth itself, the problem is quality(ies). Quality
>of
> > process, quality of restriction, quality of incentive, and more - all
>adding
> > up to quality of community. There are so many good things that Moscow
>can
> > make for itself (some are examples such as you & Keely cite.) All
>Community
> > partners government, business, & citizen) need to understanding what
>they
> > have really been doing within the existing processes; understand what
>the
> > Community needs; and all parties need to learn how to get from here to
>there
> > by changing the processes to make community development work
> > collaboratively.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill London [mailto:london at moscow.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:18 AM
> > To: FCS at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
> >
> >
> > M-
> > you wrote (at end of first paragraph below):
> > "I don't want growth for growth's sake, I want
> > positive community-minded growth and that's why I'm willing to support
>GMA."
> >
> > Everybody says they support positive community-minded growth. For some
> > people, every new business or housing development is "positive
> > community-minded growth."
> >
> > take a look at the GMA website and the list of board members. These are
>not
> > supporters of Smart Growth or even community-minded growth. Bennett,
>Mack,
> > Comstock et al seem to think that any growth is good. Yes, they have a
> > track record of supporting growth for growth's sake. Their continuing
> > support of Dumb Growth has brought Moscow, for example, the scattering
>of
> > subdivisions around town that do not have parks or bike/pedestrian
> > connections to the rest of town.
> >
> > GMA will be supporting growth for Moscow, that's for sure. It's the
> > positive and community-minded part that is doubtful.
> > BL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Seman" <FCS at moscow.com>
> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
> >
> >
> > > Keely,
> > > I agree with most all you say. Moscow's growth needs to be more
>positive
> > > (proper) and proactive. I don't necessarily associate growth with
>being
> > > negative, though much has definitely been poorly implemented in the
>past
> > and
> > > the process needs to be changed. Our children are the future and they
> > need
> > > to be wisely assisted. School gradutates without oppotunity leave
>town.
> > If
> > > the opportunity is not Wal-Mart, what else will Moscow provide?
>Moscow
> > > needs to actively pursue what it wants to be...what it wants for its
> > future.
> > > If your list could come to fruition, "what a wonderful world this
>would
> > be."
> > > I hope to see it happen. I don't want growth for growth's sake, I
>want
> > > positive community-minded growth and that's why I'm willing to support
> > GMA.
> > >
> > > Moscow needs to "come together" before it can proactively move
>forward.
> > > Part of the process to do this is to develop dialogue, a concensus,
>and
>a
> > > plan of action. Then the plan can be implemented. It seems GMA wants
>to
> > be
> > > part of that dialogue. I would like to think that the various
> > organizations
> > > in Moscow recognize the need for concensus and that they are not
>organized
> > > just to toot their own horn. Organizations need to brining their
>concerns
> > > to the table for discussion, but with the intent of compromise, so a
>plan
> > > can be developed to move Moscow forward. The plan can be tweaked
>along
> > the
> > > way, but the plan needs to be developed so efforts for implementation
>can
> > > proceed.
> > >
> > > I'm not quite sure whether the long-standing question is "When will
>the
> > > dialogue begin?" or "How much longer will it take to get consensus?"
> > Either
> > > way, Moscow is still far off from having a plan, let alone
>implementing
> > one
> > > for its future. The current model of reaction needs to be replaced
>with
> > > proaction, so for the most part, the answer is known before the
>question
> > is
> > > even asked.
> > >
> > > I know it is tough to get to such a point of agreement, but I see that
>as
> > a
> > > major role of Mayor and Council. Provide the leadership that gets
>these
> > > steps done so Moscow knows its self well enough to define its general
>path
> > > to future development. This process is not solely on the shoulders of
>the
> > > City either, the community needs to care enough to be involved.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:47 AM
> > > To: thansen at moscow.com; FCS at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd disagree with any group that would usher in big-box stores and a
> > > proliferation of strip malls, and I don't think that growth for
>growth's
> > > sake is at all desireable.
> > >
> > > That said, I'm equally cocerned about people or groups who fail to
> > recognize
> > > the moral, social and economic difference between the positive
>benefits
> > of,
> > > say, a new high school on the fringes of town and a Wal-Mart
>Supercenter
> > on
> > > the fringes of town. The apparent inability of some people to
> > differentiate
> > > between a temple of gross consumerism and corporate greed and a
> > > state-of-the-art, educationally suitable and forward-planned high
>school
> > is
> > > almost as vexing as it is frightening.
> > >
> > > Here's what I want for Moscow:
> > > -- Growth that includes homes priced to allow the working poor to
>build
> > > equity and secure a future -- An economy that derives benefit from a
> > > financially sound and academically robust university
> > > -- School buildings that are equitable across the district in their
> > > educational suitability
> > > -- Vocational and technological training for our kids who don't have a
> > > four-year college in their
> > > future, with a commitment to quality education for all of our students
> > > -- A healthy, business-oriented downtown;
> > > -- A pro-business city government that recognizes that "pro-business"
> > means
> > > support not for corporate leviathans but for small businesses, with a
>move
> > > toward securing innovative technological and production companies that
> > > provide real jobs;
> > > -- A continued atmosphere of support for the arts.
> > >
> > > The long and short of it is, I guess, that I'd like a hybrid of MCA
>and
> > GMA
> > > -- keep out the big box businesses, throw support behind public
>schools,
> > and
> > > never confuse the two.
> > >
> > > keely
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > To: <FCS at moscow.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
> > > Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 05:49:54 -0700
> > >
> > > Mark -
> > >
> > > Although I applaud your community activism, I personally would want to
> > know
> > > just where an organization stands on issues before I joined it.
> > >
> > > So far, all the Greater Moscow Alliance (GMA) has accomplished amounts
>to
> > > nothing more than providing a list of "feel good" mission standards, a
> > list
> > > of names that comprises its leadership, and a list of "Issues of
>Interest"
> > > of which they have no stated position.
> > >
> > > Thoughts, Moscow?
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > ********************************************
> > >
> > > "In America, anybody can become president.
> > > That's one of the risks you take . . ."
> > >
> > > - Adlai Stevenson
> > >
> > > ********************************************
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Mark Seman
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:20 PM
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Tribune uncovers new Moscow pro-growth group
> > >
> > > I might think it to be more important to give Moscow a "proper" tone.
>On
> > > any particular issue that tone could be perceived as either right or
> > left -
> > > whichever is needed, as long as it is "proper." For now I have hope
>(with
> > > some trepidation) that GMA is willing to help Moscow attain proper
> > > prosperity. To listen and act for the betterment of not only
>themselves,
> > > but for a greater community good. I'm signing up for a year to see
>what
> > > happens. I could just sit back and do nothing, or I could do more,
>but
> > for
> > > now I'll just help out a little bit. In the future, I hope to desire
>to
> > do
> > > more.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
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