[Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault

[Joe Campbell]

Much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Sunil and Keely. Of course, I won't be using Crabtree's services anytime soon because of an error on my part together with Jenifer's statement about proximity.

It is interesting that Crabtree did suggest a connection between my electronic actions and my job recently on Vision 2020. He wrote:

"It must be quite an adventure to be one of his students and have the temerity to hold an opinion that differs from his."

Two wrongs don't make a right but an apology would be nice. Not that I expect it. I'm willing to move on either way.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote: 

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Sunil, Keely

When I was small, a respected elder said to me:

"If you do not want to be thought a liar, then start by not telling lies."

Hence, if you do not want to be thought of as lacking integrity, than start 
with showing that you do not lack integrity.

There is no absolute connection between Gary's intentional outing of Joe's 
message and his ethics as a locksmith.  However, I predict the probability 
of someone's future actions by all their past actions in context that I am 
aware of.  You can make your own judgments.

I would not think of not doing business with Gary on the basis of his 
opinions so far expressed here.  However, this last incident has nothing to 
do with the gist of his opinions.  This last incident after Ted , Sunil, and 
others discussed it has given me pause about doing business based on an 
assessment of the strength of his integrity under the pressure of stress and 
ill-will.


Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault


>I agree with Keely.  I don't think Gary's breach of an unwritten rule on 
>this listserve is the same as a breach of his rules as a locksmith.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>To: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault
>>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:09:50 -0700
>>
>>
>>I am not a friend or fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have no reason whatsoever 
>>to distrust his integrity as a locksmith and I think it's unwise to 
>>suggest that he is unfit for his chosen work.
>>
>>Be nice and play fair.
>>
>>keely
>>
>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault
>>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:58:41 -0700
>>
>>Well, perhaps I should have someone else change my locks.  If you can't 
>>trust a locksmith's integrity, then why trust secure access to the locks 
>>installed by same.
>>
>>W.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam" 
>><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:08 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical Fault
>>
>>
>>>No, Gary made a deliberate decision to post an off-list communication. 
>>>Here's the first paragraph:
>>>
>>>'Joe, I am sure that you would have preferred to keep this communication 
>>>on
>>>the down low, but I really thought that some of our friends on the Vision
>>>would enjoy getting to see a different side of our mild mannered, oh so
>>>reasonable, philosophy professor, the esteemed Dr. Joseph Campbell. If 
>>>this
>>>is in bad form or a breach of net etiquette, I'll try to deal with the
>>>sorrow.'
>>>
>>>I'm sure he'll say the same thing.
>>>
>>>Sunil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree's Breach Of Trust Serious Ethical 
>>>>Fault
>>>>Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:44:54 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps it was just an innocent mistake that some of us have made 
>>>>before. Let's give Gary the benefit of the doubt.
>>>>
>>>
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