[Vision2020] The little gray cells

Tue May 16 21:42:41 PDT 2006

Dick,

Stop hiding behind the "its just my opinion" shield. It is offensive to suggest that someone's lifestyle choice is "vile." Maybe you think your neighbor’s wife is ugly. That is fine and good. If you were to tell him so, that would be something else. If you were to say so on Vision 2020, that would be worse still. The fact that it is your opinion is not a justification for expressing an insulting comment in a public venue.

More importantly, though, if you do choose to express it in a public venue, then you are open to public attack. Don't cry about it when Joan and others fight back in a similar way. Either try to discourse in a civil matter or, if you don't, accept the fact that you have effectively taken the gloves off. If you dish it out, be willing to take it without the tears and complaints.

You write: "Where I get sick of it is when she [Joan], and others of her ilk, try to force their fantasy beliefs on the rest of us, especially our children, through politics and intrusion into our educational systems.  People like Joan will never be happy until the rest of us are all forced to bow down and pay tribute to her way of life, through forced legislation. That is her real goal."

First of all, I know Joan and you don't know what the heck you are talking about. She has no agenda other than to live the same kind of life that straights are invited to live. Nothing more.

Secondly, have you noticed that our state is trying to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage? It is already illegal for gays to marry, mind you, but apparently that is not enough. 

>From the above quote it seems that your biggest fear is, were gays and lesbians to gain the power that straights now have, then they might do the same thing that straights are already doing to them, e.g. force their own sexual preferences down your throat. You seem like an intelligent man. Is it too much to expect that you might notice the irony -- nay, the hypocrisy -- in your view? "I must stop you from having sex with the person of your choice or you might prevent me from having sex with the person of my choice!"

Like you, I don't want anyone telling me how I should express my own intimacy and love, or whom I should or shouldn’t marry. If you really fear that someone might limit your choices in this way in the future, perhaps the best way to avoid that result is to treat him or her with the respect with which you’d like to be treated. Do unto others.

And don't bring up that junk about pedophilia and bestiality. The real question is: Does Joan have the right to tell you that you can't marry the adult woman of your choice? If the answer is 'No,' then you have no right to tell her that she can't marry the adult woman of her choice either. You might consider gay sex to be vile but if so you don’t have to do it. It is that plain and simple.

If this wonderful country of ours cannot ensure the right of each individual to marry the adult person of his or her choice, then all our talk of liberty is nothing but a sham. There can be no more important right, no more basic liberty, than the right of adults to partake in intimate relations with the adult of one's choice. You know that well. It is the very fear of loosing that right that sustains your view in the first place.

--
Joe Campbell

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I don't know Joan and have never heard her show on NPR, probably because I won't stoop to NPR.  Never-the-less, I don't believe she knows a thing about my family.  I also do not believe I have ever said a thing concerning her family here in this forum.  She may be eloquent and articulate in her writing but that does not give her the right, or the knowledge, to attack my family.  I have already related this to her in a personal email but she chooses to ignore my request and continues to speak about my family in this public forum.

That Joan would "invite" me to write a 500 word essay about my family for her pleasure is indication enough of her insolence. Previously she wrote this to me, and others: "I also invite you to submit a five-hundred word essay on how you've managed to make your own wives happy and keep your own marriages intact."

I would suggest Joan work on her own relationship and family problems.  It would seem she has enough of them to keep her busy for awhile without questioning others.  I know many of you believe Joan is some sort of goddess, witness the way Tom Hansen slobbers all over every witty, nasty remark she makes here, but in truth she is a nasty, foul-mouthed, militant lesbian with an agenda to push on the rest of us and she will let nothing get in her way.  She makes physical threats on people and besmirches their families then excuses herself by claiming to be a victim of homophobia.  She is a phony, self-centered, egotistical woman who believes she is somehow better than others and beyond the same judgments she dishes out on a daily basis upon them.

Joan loves to put down the manhood of any male who disagrees with her vile attacks and lifestyle and claims she alone has access to the only real men left.  I personally believe the only real men in Joan's life are all battery operated and she is attempting to compensate for it somehow.  Why else would she continually bring the subject up?

I don't recall ever personally attacking Joan's family and her fantasy that her lesbian sex mate is her "husband".  She is entitled to believe anything she wants to in her private life.  Where I get sick of it is when she, and others of her ilk, try to force their fantasy beliefs on the rest of us, especially our children, through politics and intrusion into our educational systems.  People like Joan will never be happy until the rest of us are all forced to bow down and pay tribute to her way of life, through forced legislation.  That is her real goal.

Before you all jump on the "defend Joan bandwagon" and tell me she doesn't need defending because she is so smart, etc., save your breath.  This is my opinion, based on my observations and on the vile words from Joan herself.  I am entitled to them and I will not apologize for recognizing them for what they really are.  I am sure Joan can defend herself.  Perhaps she will come to Lewiston and kick me in the groin or throw me on my back.  That seems to be her ultimate answer to every man she has a problem with or who disagrees with her.

Dick S.
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joan Opyr 
  To: Vision2020 Moscow 
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:45 AM
  Subject: [Vision2020] The little gray cells

    From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of ToeKneeTime at aol.com
    Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:48 PM
    To: joanopyr at moscow.com
    Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
    Subject: [Vision2020] Re: A response to Mr. Opyr.....

    Joan,

    I've been accused of being illogical by your group.  Yet your invitation to Ed, Dick and I was predicated on a faulty premise: that I have ever claimed to know all there is to know about human sexuality and relationships.  None of the 3 of us has ever, of course, made such a silly claim and you know that.  Perhaps you should enroll in Joe's logic course this year.

    So much for your qualifications as an editor and commentator.... 

    The fact that I have been married once and divorced, has no bearing on my position with regard to "gay marriage".  You know this but choose to deploy that argument because it is superficial and fallacious and thus appeals to the liberal mind.  I'm sure you'll receive the requisite plaudits from your slavish devotees.  But you will still be WRONG Joan.  You will still be a MISFIT.  You will still LINGER ALONG THE FRINGES OF SOCIETY.  And you will continue to FAIL TO FIT IN.

    In closing, let me remind you that MANY inappropriate, twisted and unhealthy relationships persist for DECADES.  Their longevity is hardly proof that they are loving and proper.

    --Tony 

  You see, Captain Hastings, the little gray cells, they are working overtime. Poirot, he wonders, why does this ToeKnee Time, who lives in the stinking Lewiston where they make what you call "the ass rag," spend so many of the precious hours on the Moscow community chat group? Why does he not have the life? And Poirot sees, quelque chose qui cloche! Something there is which does not ring right! The ToeKnee and the Ed and the Dick, they have the occipital bun and the brow ridge, no? And these have not been popular with the women since the cave painting in Lascaux. They also have the un-ironed shirts, the unwashed socks, and the -- how you say? -- woman-fearing bitterness that tell Poirot that ToeKnee, Dick and Ed are unsuccessful in matrimony. They cannot sustain the healthy adult relationship, n'est-ce pas? 

  Oui! C'est ca l'amour! Le Trois de Stooges will not answer Poirot's question. They will slip and slide, evade and avoid, but Poirot -- he knows the truth. And Poirot's eye, it shall pity. He is not like the Greg Dickison. No! Poirot, he recommends the long session avec le shrink de Viennese. He thinks that perhaps the therapy will do the great good. The therapy for five or ten years, and then le Cialis, or les popsicle sticks et le duct tape.

  -- Dictated to Miss Lemon by Monsieur Hercule Poirot, 5/15/2006 

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