[Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Not
Votng anymore-Waste of Time
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Tue May 16 19:15:38 PDT 2006
Yeap, you are right Mr. Hansen. I am lazy. I work two jobs and go to graduate school and am in a vocational training program. If I really cared, I would do more. If I really wanted to stay busy, I would get a job sitting behind a computer at UI writing endless comments on community serve lists calling other people lazy for not doing things I suggest they do.
_DJA
Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } That’s just a sign of laziness, Arnold.
t hansen
"I think one of the best ways to support education is to make successful private schools like Logos prosper through tax exemption."
- Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
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From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:04 PM
To: Tom Hansen; 'Ed'
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time
Tom,'
It is third on my list of things to do; right behind ending world poverty and finding a cure for cancer.
_DJA
Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
Instead of refusing to vote, how about campaigning to retire/terminate the electoral college.
The electoral college has outgrown its usefulness. Straight popular vote is the only way to ensure that your vote counts.
If you want your vote to mean something, don’t sit on your hands, make noise.
How about it?
t hansen
Moscow, Idaho
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:33 PM
To: Ed
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time
Ed,
Voting is also giving validity to the process. I think the process is unfair and rigged to favor the wealthy and those already in power. If the government had an election where you are asked to vote on if you wanted to be bashed in the head, or kicked in nuts, would you vote in that election and give it credence? Voting is consenting to the choices and process as being valid. Our voting system is not a valid one.
_DJA
Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:
I realize this may be a stupid question... but, living in a Representative Republic, don't we want those whom we've elected to vote on our behalf, and in a way that represents/reflects their constituency?
In response to the individual who doesn't intend to vote: I try to vote in every election if I can. If I don't vote, I have no room to complain about or praise or elected officials. A ballot is also the ticket to gripe.. No ticket, no griping!
--Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Bill London ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time
Bill,
Yes, I resigned myself to knowing that my opinion based on my experiences are invalid whenever they are in conflict with your own.
However, I happen to believe that any office which requires a substantial amount of time, money, and commitment automatically excludes any and all people that are poor and need to work for a living. How many people in political office are on food stamps?
It is also my experience that those in office could learn a great deal, and make some major improvements in education if they would be willing to include those that are poor. And please don't respond back about how poor so and so on the committee use to be. I am talking about people that have been poor their entire life and are dealing with sending their children to a school being poor today. 99% of us were poor at some time in our own definition.
None of the candidates I have heard from care about anything other than getting elected and providing a a new school for THEIR child at my expense. Or in the case of Ms. Dibble who is willing to sell her vote to whatever 2/3 of the people want.
It appears to me that they are all upper class people just trying to get involved for the purposes of getting more toys at taxpayer expense for their child or enforce what the majority want for future victories at the ballot box.
None of them have addressed the real issues and problems facing education. No Science and Math teachers, low pay for Math and Science Teachers, all the benefits and pay going to teachers for sticking around, not doing a good job, a decent school lunch program, career placement services, and life management skills.
So none of them get my vote. Especially if they don't even bother to send or leave me a flyer, call me, email me, or knock on my door. They are lazy bastards, a school zone is not that big. If they cannot manage to go down the street and ask for my vote they ain't going to be doing it after they are elected for my opinion either.
_DJA
Bill London <london at moscow.com> wrote:
D-
Your response is misinformed and way off the mark.
The election today is a school board election. The four candidates are competing for two volunteer positions (as in unpaid).
The winning candidates will be forced to sit through interminable meetings, listen to mind-numbing statistics, choose alternatives that nobody likes, and deal with angry uninformed constituents -- all for the chance to help a school district that really needs direction and assistance.
My guess is that they are candidates because they care about Moscow's schools and schoolchildren.
BL
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Dan Carscallen ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time
When less than half the population votes, that is the majority not voting. Out of 20,000 people in Moscow, less than 4,000, probably less than 3,000 or even 2,000 will vote in this election tonight.
I bet you a beer, less than 5,000 votes are cast. I will bet you another beer that the winning candidate does not give a rip, only that they won and will do nothing serious during their term to try and get the majority to the polls in the next election.
_DJA
Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:
Donovan says:
"I think I speak with the majority when I say I am not going to vote. At
least not in elections that offer no choice, it is a waste of my time."
I guess I'm in the minority, because Donovan doesn't speak for me.
planning on wasting my time,
DC
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