[Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time

Tue May 16 17:46:04 PDT 2006

Instead of refusing to vote, how about campaigning to retire/terminate the
electoral college.

The electoral college has outgrown its usefulness.  Straight popular vote is
the only way to ensure that your vote counts.

If you want your vote to mean something, don’t sit on your hands, make
noise.

How about it?

t hansen

Moscow, Idaho  

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:33 PM
To: Ed
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time

Ed,

Voting is also giving validity to the process. I think the process is unfair
and rigged to favor the wealthy and those already in power. If the
government had an election where you are asked to vote on if you wanted to
be bashed in the head, or kicked in nuts, would you vote in that election
and give it credence? Voting is consenting to the choices and process as
being valid. Our voting system is not a valid one. 

_DJA

Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:

I realize this may be a stupid question... but, living in a Representative
Republic, don't we want those whom we've elected to vote on our behalf, and
in a way that represents/reflects their constituency? 

In response to the individual who doesn't intend to vote: I try to vote in
every election if I can. If I don't vote, I have no room to complain about
or praise or elected officials. A ballot is also the ticket to gripe.. No
ticket, no griping!

--Ed

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Donovan <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>  Arnold 

To: Bill London <mailto:london at moscow.com>  ; vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time

Bill,

Yes, I resigned myself to knowing that my opinion based on my experiences
are invalid whenever they are in conflict with your own.

However, I happen to believe that any office which requires a substantial
amount of time, money, and commitment automatically excludes any and all
people that are poor and need to work for a living. How many people in
political office are on food stamps?

It is also my experience that those in office could learn a great deal, and
make some major improvements in education if they would be willing to
include those that are poor. And please don't respond back about how poor so
and so on the committee use to be. I am talking about people that have been
poor their entire life and are dealing with sending their children to a
school being poor today. 99% of us were poor at some time in our own
definition.  

None of the candidates I have heard from care about anything other than
getting elected and providing a a new school for THEIR child at my expense.
Or in the case of Ms. Dibble who is willing to sell her vote to whatever 2/3
of the people want.

It appears to me that they are all upper class people just trying to get
involved for the purposes of getting more toys at taxpayer expense for their
child or enforce what the majority want for future victories at the ballot
box.

None of them have addressed the real issues and problems facing education.
No Science and Math teachers, low pay for Math and Science Teachers, all the
benefits and pay going to teachers for sticking around, not doing a good
job, a decent school lunch program, career placement services, and life
management skills. 

So none of them get my vote. Especially if they don't even bother to send or
leave me a flyer, call me, email me, or knock on my door. They are lazy
bastards, a school zone is not that big.  If they cannot manage to go down
the street and ask for my vote they ain't going to be doing it after they
are elected for my opinion either.

_DJA

Bill London <london at moscow.com> wrote: 

D-

Your response is misinformed and way off the mark.

The election today is a school board election.  The four candidates are
competing for two volunteer positions (as in unpaid).

The winning candidates will be forced to sit through interminable meetings,
listen to mind-numbing statistics, choose alternatives that nobody likes,
and deal with angry uninformed constituents -- all for the chance to help a
school district that really needs direction and assistance.

My guess is that they are candidates because they care about Moscow's
schools and schoolchildren.

BL

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Donovan <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>  Arnold 

To: Dan Carscallen <mailto:areaman at moscow.com>  ; vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:27 PM

Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Not Votng anymore-Waste of Time

When less than half the population votes, that is the majority not voting.
Out of 20,000 people in Moscow, less than 4,000, probably less than 3,000 or
even 2,000 will vote in this election tonight.

I bet you a beer, less than 5,000 votes are cast. I will bet you another
beer that the winning candidate does not give a rip, only that they won and
will do nothing serious during their term to try and get the majority to the
polls in the next election. 

_DJA

Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote: 

Donovan says:

"I think I speak with the majority when I say I am not going to vote. At
least not in elections that offer no choice, it is a waste of my time."

I guess I'm in the minority, because Donovan doesn't speak for me.

planning on wasting my time,

DC

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