[Vision2020] Why Go After Them? Because that is what truly
RIGHTMINDED people do
Scott Dredge
sdredge at yahoo.com
Fri May 12 09:09:07 PDT 2006
Your point is denied. The difference has been answered several times. Same sex marriage is between consenting adults. There is no remotely good reason to criminilize victimless sins. And if you believe differently, maybe you should start by having your own sins prosecuted since you believe all sins are equal and that we're all sinners.
-Scott
rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net> wrote: Well, I don't know about anyone else but I don't even know who Mr. Jeffs or
Dale C. are. Don't believe I have read anything from either of them. I
certainly do not support sex with minors anymore than I support incest,
beastiality or homosexuality. I see them all as equal sins. The whole
point of my posts has been that I see no difference in the arguments in
favor of any one of them over any other. Therefore, since leftists, in
general, advocate so much tolerance toward others, why do they think one is
repugnant and the other is just hunky-dory. Appears very inconsistent to
me. I suppose it is a case of "whose ox is being gored" at the moment.
It really does not matter anymore to me. It isn't my business how any of
you justify your sins or hide your guilt over it. I am not perfect in my
own life and need to concentrate more on that than wondering how you do it.
I am really much more political than into all this junk but with such a
fertile field to question, I could not resist asking the questions that have
been bothering me, concerning the justification of some of these things but
not others when they are all equally loathsome.
I have wasted far too much valuable time on this when I could be debating,
learning and enjoying my time with someone like Sunil. Therefore, I am done
with this thread and will not return to it again. I know it has been
repulsive but I do not know how to approach such things without being
repulsive, that is the whole point. I apologize for exposing this ugliness
to those not into it but it is a fact of life there are many who are and
they believe the rest of us should accept their immorality and even pass
laws in favor of their repulsive lifestyles, teach it to our children as the
norm and feel sorry for them, all at the same time. You will read the
screeching responses to this from many of them, no doubt. I will not
respond, I have made my point, accept it or deny it.
Dick S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Why Go After Them? Because that is what truly
RIGHTMINDED people do
> In my ancient and wise Gran's words: Bull **** pucky!!!
>
> If you support a person's beliefs, you support their activities. Dale
> specifically has stated he sees nothing wrong in what Mr. Jeffs has been
> doing and equates the homosexual marriage with a sin worthy of death - but
> the marriage of children to adults, he does not see a problem?
>
> IN MY OPINION, I'm sorry, but Dale, Mr. Ed, Dick, and the rest DO support
> child abuse when they support the likes of Mr. Jeffs. End of story.
>
>
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
> >From: lfalen
> >To: "J Ford"
, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:38:19 -0700
> >
> >j
> >Your comments about Mr Jeffs are all valid. However you are wrong about
> >Dale. He never condoned it . He is as opposed to it as you are. Reread
his
> >blogs.
> >
> >Roger
> >-----Original message-----
> >From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:18:43 -0700
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> >
> > > To clarify a couple of things, if I might...
> > >
> > > Mr. Jeffs, a NON-pastorized "preacher" of his word (NOT God's), has
> >arranged
> > > "marriages" between CHILDREN as young as 12 and adults as old as 48 -
> >this
> > > is not love or any form of God's work, it is sexual assault, rape,
child
> > > molestation, the damaging permanently of a child's life and mind, a
SIN
> >in
> > > any language, religion, faith, law, country, etc. Mr. Ed or Dale or
CD
> >or
> > > any other "pervert" that allows this type of behavior as being
"normal"
> >and
> > > preferable belongs in the same cell as Mr. Jeffs will find himself in,
> >for
> > > the same length of time - hopefully, that being the rest of their
> >horrible,
> > > miserable, lousy lives.
> > >
> > > Mr. Jeffs has also, in his own voice, been heard to say that anyone
with
> > > dark skin is loathsome, uneducated, unworthy, vile, not to be dealt
with
> >in
> > > any other manner but through a death blow, etc. If you watch the
> >reports
> > > being done on him and his groups, you will notice NOT A SINGLE
NON-WHITE
> > > PERSON is among them. NOT ONE! (sounds like your kinda group Mr.
Ed?)
> > >
> > > The very fact that they have "compounds" with armed guards and that
this
> > > person is hiding from the FBI and other law enforcement agents speaks
> > > volumes and volumes of his knowing that his activities are wrong - he
is
> > > HIDING...get it?! He knows he is wrong and that not even God will
> >protect
> > > him no matter how often or loudly he proclaims His name.
> > >
> > > Anyone remember Waco? How about Jonestown?
> > >
> > > Why, in all that is Holy, would ANYone support that type of group?
> > >
> > >
> > > J :]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "keely emerinemix"
> > > >To: ecooper at turbonet.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> > > >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:35 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Earlier this week, I apologized to Ed for having said that the
"light"
> >he
> > > >shone forth was, unlike the light of Christ to which he was
referring,
> > > >simply garish, obnoxious, and without value (I was much more
colorful,
> >but
> > > >there's no need to repeat it). I had second thoughts and apologized,
> > > >thinking I was judgmental, harsh, and unduly condemning.
> > > >
> > > >Never mind.
> > > >
> > > >Based on his comments below, which are another foaming-at-the-mouth
> >rant
> > > >against homosexuality, I think I was right. He is all heat, not
light,
> >and
> > > >whatever flashes of brilliance he shows are not intellectual in
nature
> >but
> > > >simply flashes of momentary ocular interruption.
> > > >
> > > >That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, although I
hope
> >he
> > > >would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to
his
> >own
> > > >disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's
> > > >standards become the norm. And while I have said before that
> >Christians
> > > >who hold to a conservative reading of Scripture regarding
homosexuality
> >are
> > > >not automatically better Christians, more Christlike and mature, than
> >those
> > > >who don't, I will acknowledge that most conservative Christians see
the
> > > >behavior condemned in the Bible. But while there is legitimate
dispute
> > > >over prooftexts that appear to be ironclad to some and not so to
> >others,
> > > >there is NO dispute over the entirety of the OT and NT text, which
> >calls
> > > >for love as the highest ideal. Not heterosexuality, not
conservatism,
> >not
> > > >fundamentalism, not even disgust at sin. And so, on that basis, I
can
> > > >readily and unapologetically conclude that Ed is not shining forth
the
> > > >light of his Savior, but a cheap and entirely offensive counterfeit
> >that
> > > >does no one any good -- and certainly doesn't glorify God.
> > > >
> > > >More immediately bizarre, of course, is that he considers the
polygamy
> >of
> > > >Colorado City to be less evil than even committed, loving homosexual
> > > >relationships. Remember what Ed apparently can't grasp: that the
> >Warren
> > > >Jeffs brand of polygamy, and much if not most other examples of
> > > >quasi-Mormon polygamy, are not examples of sexually healthy, free,
> > > >autonomous and of-age women simply being satisfied by one loving,
> >albeit
> > > >fickle, stud. These "women" are often young teenagers, and none of
> >them
> > > >has the security of a loving community around them; the self-worth
and
> > > >confidence to refuse sexual attention or childbearing; the autonomy
to
> >turn
> > > >down "marriages" to men who are strangers to them, or, worse, family
> > > >members; or the economic and social viability to escape. Girls are
> >raped,
> > > >boys are cast out as "competition" to the horny perverts who mask as
> >God's
> > > >chosen leaders of the home, church, and society, and women are
> >consigned to
> > > >a form of sexual slavery that is no less horrific because "God" is
> >invoked
> > > >in its practice.
> > > >
> > > >Ed should be ashamed that he finds the practice of homosexuality,
even
> > > >between two adults who love each other, more repugnant than the
above.
> >On
> > > >the other hand, patriarchy and homophobia are two monuments to an
idol
> > > >located south of a man's heart, and protecting that idol evidently
> >involves
> > > >more bigotry than most people can possibly muster.
> > > >
> > > >keely
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >From: "Ed"
> > > >To: "J Ford"
,
> > > >Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> > > >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:22:16 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Hey J:
> > > >
> > > >Since my name was used derogatorily in your losing exchange with
Dale,
> >I
> > > >feel compelled to add my two cents. Although, I'm not a polygamist, I
> >see
> > > >it's fruits (no pun intended) far less damaging than those of the
> >abnormal,
> > > >twisted, despicable perversion of homosexuality...
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: J Ford
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:12 PM
> > > > Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dale C:
> > > >
> > > > Criminal Probe of Church
> > > >
> > > > The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
> >(FLDS) is
> > > >one
> > > > of a number of polygamist sects in and near Utah. Followers
believe
> >the
> > > > Mormons went the wrong direction when it abandoned polygamy more
> >than a
> > > > century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.
> > > >
> > > > Since we're in the middle of redefining "marriage", why go after
> >this
> > > >group?
> > > >
> > > > Me:
> > > >
> > > > ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING???!!! This group is so abusing its
> >members,
> > > > women/children mostly, and you have to ask why they are being
looked
> > > >into
> > > > and sought after?
> > > >
> > > > CD Witmer says:
> > > >
> > > > Why go after this group? Well, apart from the fact that they are
> > > > polygamists, they have the "look and feel" of WASPs and therefore
> >don't
> > > >get
> > > > protected status. Now if they were promoting multiple-partner
> >HOMOSEXUAL
> > > > marriage, you can bet they would be protected.
> > > >
> > > > Me:
> > > >
> > > > Geez, dude - what world do you live in? You can't possibly be
this
> >sick
> > > > that you believe the crap you spew?! Don't tell me - you're one
of
> > > >those
> > > > "we whites have to stick together or get lost in the crowd" kinda
> > > > guys....like Mr. Ed?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else see a parallel of Colorado City to the Moscow that
> > > >Dougie-Boy is
> > > > working to create? He may not be talking multiple marriages at
one
> >time
> > > > (yet) but he certainly has the land development , "own(ing of)
> > > >businesses
> > > > and property," the harassment of former members, etc. and other
> >illegal
> > > > activities part down. Only a matter of time....if Moscow just
> >closes
> > > >it's
> > > > eyes long enough.
> > > >
> > > > J :|
> > > >
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