[Vision2020] Why Go After Them? Because that is what truly RIGHT
MINDED people do
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri May 12 00:20:44 PDT 2006
In my ancient and wise Gran's words: Bull **** pucky!!!
If you support a person's beliefs, you support their activities. Dale
specifically has stated he sees nothing wrong in what Mr. Jeffs has been
doing and equates the homosexual marriage with a sin worthy of death - but
the marriage of children to adults, he does not see a problem?
IN MY OPINION, I'm sorry, but Dale, Mr. Ed, Dick, and the rest DO support
child abuse when they support the likes of Mr. Jeffs. End of story.
J :]
>From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:38:19 -0700
>
>j
>Your comments about Mr Jeffs are all valid. However you are wrong about
>Dale. He never condoned it . He is as opposed to it as you are. Reread his
>blogs.
>
>Roger
>-----Original message-----
>From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:18:43 -0700
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>
> > To clarify a couple of things, if I might...
> >
> > Mr. Jeffs, a NON-pastorized "preacher" of his word (NOT God's), has
>arranged
> > "marriages" between CHILDREN as young as 12 and adults as old as 48 -
>this
> > is not love or any form of God's work, it is sexual assault, rape, child
> > molestation, the damaging permanently of a child's life and mind, a SIN
>in
> > any language, religion, faith, law, country, etc. Mr. Ed or Dale or CD
>or
> > any other "pervert" that allows this type of behavior as being "normal"
>and
> > preferable belongs in the same cell as Mr. Jeffs will find himself in,
>for
> > the same length of time - hopefully, that being the rest of their
>horrible,
> > miserable, lousy lives.
> >
> > Mr. Jeffs has also, in his own voice, been heard to say that anyone with
> > dark skin is loathsome, uneducated, unworthy, vile, not to be dealt with
>in
> > any other manner but through a death blow, etc. If you watch the
>reports
> > being done on him and his groups, you will notice NOT A SINGLE NON-WHITE
> > PERSON is among them. NOT ONE! (sounds like your kinda group Mr. Ed?)
> >
> > The very fact that they have "compounds" with armed guards and that this
> > person is hiding from the FBI and other law enforcement agents speaks
> > volumes and volumes of his knowing that his activities are wrong - he is
> > HIDING...get it?! He knows he is wrong and that not even God will
>protect
> > him no matter how often or loudly he proclaims His name.
> >
> > Anyone remember Waco? How about Jonestown?
> >
> > Why, in all that is Holy, would ANYone support that type of group?
> >
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > >To: ecooper at turbonet.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
>vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> > >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:35 -0700
> > >
> > >Earlier this week, I apologized to Ed for having said that the "light"
>he
> > >shone forth was, unlike the light of Christ to which he was referring,
> > >simply garish, obnoxious, and without value (I was much more colorful,
>but
> > >there's no need to repeat it). I had second thoughts and apologized,
> > >thinking I was judgmental, harsh, and unduly condemning.
> > >
> > >Never mind.
> > >
> > >Based on his comments below, which are another foaming-at-the-mouth
>rant
> > >against homosexuality, I think I was right. He is all heat, not light,
>and
> > >whatever flashes of brilliance he shows are not intellectual in nature
>but
> > >simply flashes of momentary ocular interruption.
> > >
> > >That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, although I hope
>he
> > >would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his
>own
> > >disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's
> > >standards become the norm. And while I have said before that
>Christians
> > >who hold to a conservative reading of Scripture regarding homosexuality
>are
> > >not automatically better Christians, more Christlike and mature, than
>those
> > >who don't, I will acknowledge that most conservative Christians see the
> > >behavior condemned in the Bible. But while there is legitimate dispute
> > >over prooftexts that appear to be ironclad to some and not so to
>others,
> > >there is NO dispute over the entirety of the OT and NT text, which
>calls
> > >for love as the highest ideal. Not heterosexuality, not conservatism,
>not
> > >fundamentalism, not even disgust at sin. And so, on that basis, I can
> > >readily and unapologetically conclude that Ed is not shining forth the
> > >light of his Savior, but a cheap and entirely offensive counterfeit
>that
> > >does no one any good -- and certainly doesn't glorify God.
> > >
> > >More immediately bizarre, of course, is that he considers the polygamy
>of
> > >Colorado City to be less evil than even committed, loving homosexual
> > >relationships. Remember what Ed apparently can't grasp: that the
>Warren
> > >Jeffs brand of polygamy, and much if not most other examples of
> > >quasi-Mormon polygamy, are not examples of sexually healthy, free,
> > >autonomous and of-age women simply being satisfied by one loving,
>albeit
> > >fickle, stud. These "women" are often young teenagers, and none of
>them
> > >has the security of a loving community around them; the self-worth and
> > >confidence to refuse sexual attention or childbearing; the autonomy to
>turn
> > >down "marriages" to men who are strangers to them, or, worse, family
> > >members; or the economic and social viability to escape. Girls are
>raped,
> > >boys are cast out as "competition" to the horny perverts who mask as
>God's
> > >chosen leaders of the home, church, and society, and women are
>consigned to
> > >a form of sexual slavery that is no less horrific because "God" is
>invoked
> > >in its practice.
> > >
> > >Ed should be ashamed that he finds the practice of homosexuality, even
> > >between two adults who love each other, more repugnant than the above.
>On
> > >the other hand, patriarchy and homophobia are two monuments to an idol
> > >located south of a man's heart, and protecting that idol evidently
>involves
> > >more bigotry than most people can possibly muster.
> > >
> > >keely
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
> > >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> > >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:22:16 -0700
> > >
> > >Hey J:
> > >
> > >Since my name was used derogatorily in your losing exchange with Dale,
>I
> > >feel compelled to add my two cents. Although, I'm not a polygamist, I
>see
> > >it's fruits (no pun intended) far less damaging than those of the
>abnormal,
> > >twisted, despicable perversion of homosexuality...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: J Ford
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:12 PM
> > > Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dale C:
> > >
> > > Criminal Probe of Church
> > >
> > > The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
>(FLDS) is
> > >one
> > > of a number of polygamist sects in and near Utah. Followers believe
>the
> > > Mormons went the wrong direction when it abandoned polygamy more
>than a
> > > century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.
> > >
> > > Since we're in the middle of redefining "marriage", why go after
>this
> > >group?
> > >
> > > Me:
> > >
> > > ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING???!!! This group is so abusing its
>members,
> > > women/children mostly, and you have to ask why they are being looked
> > >into
> > > and sought after?
> > >
> > > CD Witmer says:
> > >
> > > Why go after this group? Well, apart from the fact that they are
> > > polygamists, they have the "look and feel" of WASPs and therefore
>don't
> > >get
> > > protected status. Now if they were promoting multiple-partner
>HOMOSEXUAL
> > > marriage, you can bet they would be protected.
> > >
> > > Me:
> > >
> > > Geez, dude - what world do you live in? You can't possibly be this
>sick
> > > that you believe the crap you spew?! Don't tell me - you're one of
> > >those
> > > "we whites have to stick together or get lost in the crowd" kinda
> > > guys....like Mr. Ed?
> > >
> > > Anyone else see a parallel of Colorado City to the Moscow that
> > >Dougie-Boy is
> > > working to create? He may not be talking multiple marriages at one
>time
> > > (yet) but he certainly has the land development , "own(ing of)
> > >businesses
> > > and property," the harassment of former members, etc. and other
>illegal
> > > activities part down. Only a matter of time....if Moscow just
>closes
> > >it's
> > > eyes long enough.
> > >
> > > J :|
> > >
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