[Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?

Thu May 11 09:38:19 PDT 2006

j
Your comments about Mr Jeffs are all valid. However you are wrong about Dale. He never condoned it . He is as opposed to it as you are. Reread his blogs.

Roger
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From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:18:43 -0700
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?

> To clarify a couple of things, if I might...
> 
> Mr. Jeffs, a NON-pastorized "preacher" of his word (NOT God's), has arranged 
> "marriages" between CHILDREN as young as 12 and adults as old as 48 - this 
> is not love or any form of God's work, it is sexual assault, rape, child 
> molestation, the damaging permanently of a child's life and mind, a SIN in 
> any language, religion, faith, law, country, etc.  Mr. Ed or Dale or CD or 
> any other "pervert" that allows this type of behavior as being "normal" and 
> preferable belongs in the same cell as Mr. Jeffs will find himself in, for 
> the same length of time - hopefully, that being the rest of their horrible, 
> miserable, lousy lives.
> 
> Mr. Jeffs has also, in his own voice, been heard to say that anyone with 
> dark skin is loathsome, uneducated, unworthy, vile, not to be dealt with in 
> any other manner but through a death blow, etc.  If you watch the reports 
> being done on him and his groups, you will notice NOT A SINGLE NON-WHITE 
> PERSON is among them.  NOT ONE!  (sounds like your kinda group Mr. Ed?)
> 
> The very fact that they have "compounds" with armed guards and that this 
> person is hiding from the FBI and other law enforcement agents speaks 
> volumes and volumes of his knowing that his activities are wrong - he is 
> HIDING...get it?!  He knows he is wrong and that not even God will protect 
> him no matter how often or loudly he proclaims His name.
> 
> Anyone remember Waco?  How about Jonestown?
> 
> Why, in all that is Holy, would ANYone support that type of group?
> 
> 
> J  :]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >To: ecooper at turbonet.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:35 -0700
> >
> >Earlier this week, I apologized to Ed for having said that the "light" he 
> >shone forth was, unlike the light of Christ to which he was referring, 
> >simply garish, obnoxious, and without value (I was much more colorful, but 
> >there's no need to repeat it).  I had second thoughts and apologized, 
> >thinking I was judgmental, harsh, and unduly condemning.
> >
> >Never mind.
> >
> >Based on his comments below, which are another foaming-at-the-mouth rant 
> >against homosexuality, I think I was right.  He is all heat, not light, and 
> >whatever flashes of brilliance he shows are not intellectual in nature but 
> >simply flashes of momentary ocular interruption.
> >
> >That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, although I hope he 
> >would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his own 
> >disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's 
> >standards become the norm.  And while I have said before that Christians 
> >who hold to a conservative reading of Scripture regarding homosexuality are 
> >not automatically better Christians, more Christlike and mature, than those 
> >who don't, I will acknowledge that most conservative Christians see the 
> >behavior condemned in the Bible.  But while there is legitimate dispute 
> >over prooftexts that appear to be ironclad to some and not so to others, 
> >there is NO dispute over the entirety of the OT and NT text, which calls 
> >for love as the highest ideal.  Not heterosexuality, not conservatism, not 
> >fundamentalism, not even disgust at sin.  And so, on that basis, I can 
> >readily and unapologetically conclude that Ed is not shining forth the 
> >light of his Savior, but a cheap and entirely offensive counterfeit that 
> >does no one any good -- and certainly doesn't glorify God.
> >
> >More immediately bizarre, of course, is that he considers the polygamy of 
> >Colorado City to be less evil than even committed, loving homosexual 
> >relationships.  Remember what Ed apparently can't grasp:  that the Warren 
> >Jeffs brand of polygamy, and much if not most other examples of 
> >quasi-Mormon polygamy, are not examples of sexually healthy, free, 
> >autonomous and of-age women simply being satisfied by one loving, albeit 
> >fickle, stud.  These "women" are often young teenagers, and none of them 
> >has the security of a loving community around them; the self-worth and 
> >confidence to refuse sexual attention or childbearing; the autonomy to turn 
> >down "marriages" to men who are strangers to them, or, worse, family 
> >members; or the economic and social viability to escape.  Girls are raped, 
> >boys are cast out as "competition" to the horny perverts who mask as God's 
> >chosen leaders of the home, church, and society, and women are consigned to 
> >a form of sexual slavery that is no less horrific because "God" is invoked 
> >in its practice.
> >
> >Ed should be ashamed that he finds the practice of homosexuality, even 
> >between two adults who love each other, more repugnant than the above.  On 
> >the other hand, patriarchy and homophobia are two monuments to an idol 
> >located south of a man's heart, and protecting that idol evidently involves 
> >more bigotry than most people can possibly muster.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
> >To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:22:16 -0700
> >
> >Hey J:
> >
> >Since my name was used derogatorily in your losing exchange with Dale, I 
> >feel compelled to add my two cents. Although, I'm not a polygamist, I see 
> >it's fruits (no pun intended) far less damaging than those of the abnormal, 
> >twisted, despicable perversion of homosexuality...
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: J Ford
> >   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:12 PM
> >   Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> >
> >
> >   Dale C:
> >
> >   Criminal Probe of Church
> >
> >   The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) is 
> >one
> >   of a number of polygamist sects in and near Utah. Followers believe the
> >   Mormons went the wrong direction when it abandoned polygamy more than a
> >   century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.
> >
> >   Since we're in the middle of redefining "marriage", why go after this 
> >group?
> >
> >   Me:
> >
> >   ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING???!!!  This group is so abusing its members,
> >   women/children mostly, and you have to ask why they are being looked 
> >into
> >   and sought after?
> >
> >   CD Witmer says:
> >
> >   Why go after this group? Well, apart from the fact that they are
> >   polygamists, they have the "look and feel" of WASPs and therefore don't 
> >get
> >   protected status. Now if they were promoting multiple-partner HOMOSEXUAL
> >   marriage, you can bet they would be protected.
> >
> >   Me:
> >
> >   Geez, dude - what world do you live in?  You can't possibly be this sick
> >   that you believe the crap you spew?!  Don't tell me - you're one of 
> >those
> >   "we whites have to stick together or get lost in the crowd" kinda
> >   guys....like Mr. Ed?
> >
> >   Anyone else see a parallel of Colorado City to the Moscow that 
> >Dougie-Boy is
> >   working to create?  He may not be talking multiple marriages at one time
> >   (yet) but he certainly has the land development , "own(ing of) 
> >businesses
> >   and property," the harassment of former members, etc. and other illegal
> >   activities part down.  Only a matter of time....if Moscow just closes 
> >it's
> >   eyes long enough.
> >
> >   J  :|
> >
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