[Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone

Wed May 10 14:24:14 PDT 2006

Please refer to the third paragraph that starts "Full disclosure..."

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At 1:58 PM -0700 5/10/06, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>Is this NoSuperWalmart group an unbiased group? 
>Or should we be taking the information with a 
>giant grain of salt?
>
>According to a poll conducted by the White 
>House, George Bush has a 69% approval rating. 
>90% stated that they preferred George Bush to be 
>their President.
>
>
>_DJA
>
>Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>For those who are interested, the Retail Demand
>analysis prepared by CLUE Group, DC and presented
>to city council on 5/1 can be downloaded at
>
>http://www.nosuperwalmart.com
>
>I'd be interested in hearing comments on the
>report. A summary might read that we
>(Whitman/Latah) are an isolated retail market
>area and as such have only so many shopping
>dollars to spend. Adding retail space shifts
>where/how those dollars are spent, but does not
>create additional retail dollars. Forecasting 10
>years out, the two categories which need more
>space are furniture/home furnishings and
>gasoline/automotive supplies/repairs and that
>could likely be accommodated with either existing
>vacant spaces or lands already zoned for motor
>business.
>
>Full disclosure: the report was commissioned by
>nosuperwalmart. However, UI economist Steve
>Petersen, testifying in support of the rezone,
>came to the same factual determinations as to
>available retail $$ in the area, but a different
>conclusion (we need to compete directly with
>Pullman to keep their dollars that are currently
>being spent in Moscow - about $100 million
>annually - by building more retail space). As
>I've posted earlier, his conclusion is based on
>assuming several underlying restraints on
>development in Whitman County have remained in
>place, which in fact, they haven't.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Mark Solomon
>
>At 8:08 AM -0700 5/10/06, joekc at adelphia.net wrote:
>>Apologies to Nils but I wanted to partake in the endless rant one more time!
>>
>>I am not against either WinCo or the existing
>>Wal-mart and for the reason you note. They save
>>money and it is plausible that people will spend
>>that saved money elsewhere. With a Super
>>Wal-Mart, things are very different. Why go
>>anywhere else?
>>
>>There is nothing "condescending" about this
>>observation either. It is based on my own
>>personal experience. When I go shopping with my
>>kid I tend not to stop at 3 or 4 different
>>places if everything I need and want is at one
>>place.
>>
>>Nor should we talk about disposable income in
>>the abstract, as you suggest. In the abstract,
>>asprin is good but if you take a whole bottle of
>>it, it will kill you. I feel the same way about
>>low-cost and convenience. Both are good in the
>>abstract but too much of both -- in the form of
>>a single Super WalMart -- will kill the local
>>economy.
>>
>>Lastly, I don't know what planet you are from
>>but on my planet philosophy professors do not
>>make a lot of money! I have shopped at WalMart,
>>I continue to shop at WinCo, and I don't blame
>>anyone for shopping at either.
>>
>>--
>>Joe Campbell
>>
>>---- deaconjames at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>=============
>>Yes, I often consider myself Reagan. Why?
>>
>>You say, "There is no reason to think that the
>>'savings' will eventually trickle down to us."
>>Are you expecting a check to show up in your
>>mailbox? When you say this, you sound a lot like
>>you are saying, "I'm looking out for me and
>>mine; screw those poor people who don't have a
>>professor's salary."
>>
>>Let's think about this in the abstract,
>>completely aside from WalMart. Is increased
>>disposable income a) good for the local economy,
>>b) bad for the local economy, or c) doesn't have
>>any effect on the local economy? If a), then we
>>can discuss whether or not WalMart would
>>increase disposable income. If b) or c), then we
>>can discuss the merits of your thinking on this
>>point.
>>
>>And by the way, my wife shops for us at Walmart
>>and Winco, and the money that we save shopping
>  >there allows us to spend money at other stores
>>around town that we otherwise wouldn't be able
>>to. You sound so condescending when you say,
>>"Why not suppose that they will just spend the
>>increased income at Walmart, where they are
>>going to shop anyway."
>>
>>People who shop at Walmart are humans, Joe, not
>>mindless, Walmart-adoring drones. They are
>>trying to save some money; that's all.
>>
>>Take care,
>>
>>Deacon
>>
>>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>>Date: Tue May 09 17:54:37 CDT 2006
>>To: deaconjames at verizon.net
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone
>>
>>Are you Reagan?
>>--
>>Joe Campbell
>>
>>---- deaconjames at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>=============
>>Are you serious?
>>
>>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>>Date: Tue May 09 17:18:07 CDT 2006
>>To: deaconjames at verizon.net
>>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone
>>
>>Why not suppose that they will just spend the
>>increased income at Walmart, where they are
>>going to shop anyway. There is no reason to
>>think that the 'savings' will eventually trickle
>>down to us.
>>
>>--
>>Joe Campbell
>>
>>---- deaconjames at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>=============
>>Let's put in terms of groceries, then: $.30 can
>>of tuna vs. $.50 can of tuna. It's a better
>>comparison anyway, because both are the same
>>product and both will be consumed and forgotten.
>>
>>Bottom line: increased disposable income, which
>>leads to increased prosperity in the region.
>>
>>Take care,
>>
>>Deacon
>>
>>From: Tom Hansen
>>Date: Tue May 09 14:46:02 CDT 2006
>>To: deaconjames at verizon.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone
>>
>>Deacon James stated:
>>
>>"If someone spends $10 on a toaster instead of $20, they have $10 extra
>>dollars to spend on something else they otherwise would not have been able
>>to purchase."
>>
>>Yet, if that same "someone" found it necessary to purchase that same
>>ten-dollar toaster three times each year (due to lesser quality), while
>>his/her neighbor "someone else" purchased the twenty-dollar toaster that
>>lasted twelve months, someone else would "have $10 extra dollars to spend on
>>something else they otherwise would not have been able to purchase."
>>
>>Something else to think about,
>>
>>Tom Hansen
>>Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
>>and the REALIST adjusts his sails."
>>
>>- Unknown
>>
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