[Vision2020] Re: Life Imprisonment: A Superior Deterrent, righton baby

Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Mon May 8 19:05:52 PDT 2006


Joe,

So you do feel that abortion is killing. That these little bads apples in 
the womb, are humans after all.  Now were getting somewhere.

MD

>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>To: Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Life Imprisonment: A Superior Deterrent, 
>righton baby
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 6:13:33 -0700
>
>Good point, Ed!
>
>And it gets us back to the abortion debate. Why not just kill the poor and 
>less fortunate before they are born? Why waste time and wait until after 
>they lead their individual lives of hell to kill them?
>
>If we apply this method, then the murder rate is sure to drop! What was the 
>name of that other country that used this same method to get its murder 
>rate to drop substantially?
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:
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>http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=1726#2005
>
>The Bureau of Justice Statistics released its latest report on the status 
>of the death penalty in the U.S., Capital Punishment, 2004, on November 13. 
>  According to the report, the nation's death row population, executions, 
>and the number of people given death sentences last year all declined. 
>There were 3,315 people on state and federal death rows at the conclusion 
>of 2004, 63 fewer than in 2003. Last year, 125 people were sentenced to 
>death, the fewest since 1973. Twelve states executed 59 prisoners in 2004, 
>six fewer than in 2003. Those executed had been under a sentence of death 
>for an average of 11 years, which was one month longer than the period for 
>inmates executed in 2003. Of those under a sentence of death in 2004, 56% 
>were white, 42% were black, and 13% were Hispanic ("Hispanic" is counted as 
>an ethnicity, rather than a race). (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Bureau of 
>Justice Statistics, Capital Punishment, 2004, November 13, 2005
>
>
>
>These stats lead one to some serious speculation. If there were 3,315 
>people on death row, why weren't there 3,315 executions? We spend endless 
>fortunes to try these parasites and condemn them to death. Then, in most 
>cases, they just sit on death row until they die of natural causes. If they 
>are the unlucky ones to be executed, they first spend on the average of 11 
>years in prison, living free from the taxes we all pay, working out, 
>studying law, eating, sleeping, etc., (all things their victims can no 
>longer do) before they receive justice.  Why are we pussyfooting around 
>with these subhumans? They know we don't mean business. Not much of a crime 
>deterrent if we don't carry out many executions, huh? Other stats reveal 
>only 1004 people have actually been put to death in the US since 1976. If I 
>were a murderer, I'd have no problems playing the odds. I'd be more apt to 
>win the powerball jackpot than be executed. But, we all know that the ACLU, 
>NLG, and other communist organiza!
>  tions will continue to obstruct justice at every given chance.
>
>
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>If we tried, convicted, and swiftly executed people those people found 
>guilty of murder, rape, treason, etc--without the games currently being 
>played--only the crazy's would want to get executed; the rest would 
>recognize the risks and perhaps be dissuaded from committing the crime. 
>However, if we continue this lunatic pacifist approach, trends will 
>continue, and resident vermin will be content to play the odds. It's kind 
>of like an adult "spare the rod and spoil the child". Permissiveness is far 
>too prevalent in society-from the top down, pervasive.
>
>
>
>   --Ed
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>
>Lastly, a bit of wisdom from George Carlin, a man whom I don't particularly 
>care for sometimes.he's right on this time, however.
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>I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two 
>parents.
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>I  think cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, 
>regardless of what color you are.
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>I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart 
>American.
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>I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does 
>not entitle you to anything.
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>I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I didn't wander forty years In 
>the desert after getting chased out of Egypt. I haven't burned any witches 
>or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ted Moffett
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Matt Decker ; ToeKneeTime at aol.com
>   Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 7:24 PM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Life Imprisonment: A Superior Deterrent?
>
>
>   All:
>
>   Regarding the arguments for the death penalty as a deterrent, which is a 
>very questionable argument given the empirical evidence regarding the death 
>penalty as it exists in the USA, what I wrote earlier on this subject, that 
>I send again at the bottom here, might argue for life imprisonment as a 
>superior deterrent to crime than the death penalty.
>
>   Life imprisonment under spartan conditions no doubt is viewed by some 
>who commit horrendous crimes as a worse outcome than the death penalty  We 
>have seen some on death row in the USA make efforts to block appeals of 
>their case, requesting to have the death penalty carried out.  Indeed, 
>given the extreme psychology involved sometimes in the minds of 
>perpetrators of horrendous crimes, carrying out the death penalty in some 
>cases boils down to state assisted suicide for someone who does not care 
>about life, theirs or anyones.
>
>   However, I am not suggesting that instead of the death penalty, the 
>state should "abuse" prisoners given a life sentence till they die of 
>"natural causes" to establish a superior deterrent to crime than the death 
>penalty, even if there was a superior deterrent effect if such a program 
>were carried out.  This would be justifying the state committing human 
>rights abuses, and indeed suggests another argument against the death 
>penalty; that state sanctioned killing of its own citizens places within 
>the mind of its citizens the notion that the deliberate and calculated 
>killing of another human being who is confined and helpless is sometimes a 
>morally justifiable act, giving moral support to those who wish to commit 
>murder to carry out "justice" for whatever offence they believe someone 
>committed that they think deserves death as a penalty... such as, perhaps, 
>the Matthew Shepard or Dr. Slepian cases?
>   -----------
>   "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from 
>religious conviction."
>
>   Blaise Pascal
>   -----------
>   How is one to live a moral and compassionate existence when one is fully 
>aware of the blood, the horror inherent in life, when one finds darkness 
>not only in one's culture but within oneself? If there is a stage at which 
>an individual life becomes truly adult, it must be when one grasps the 
>irony in its unfolding and accepts responsibility for a life lived in the 
>midst of such paradox. One must live in the middle of contradiction, 
>because if all contradiction were eliminated at once life would collapse. 
>There are simply no answers to some of the great pressing questions. You 
>continue to live them out, making your life a worthy expression of leaning 
>into the light.
>   Barry Lopez from "Arctic Dreams"
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>   
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375727485/jjsbooksbuilding/002-0608912-6642455
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>   -----------
>
>   Well, OK, Winston (1984) was crushed as a human being by the
>   > state to make a statement that the state has the power to destroy (as 
>in
>   > destroy the spirit, beliefs and love a human being followed) a human 
>being
>   > who opposes said state, while they are alive, the point being this is 
>worse > than having the state simply execute its opponents, because it is a
>   > destruction of the very freedom seeking individualistic humanity in 
>the soul > of a human being that constitutes the essence of the opposition 
>of the
>   > individual to the power of the state...
>
>   Ted Moffett
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