[Vision2020] (no subject)

[J Ford]

To Doug et al:

Are we to assume that "vows" taken by CCer's are to the CHURCH for loyalty, 
convenient, etc. and NOT to GOD, whom we are supposed to be worshipping?  Is 
it your contention that breaking away from the CC is a breaking away from 
God?  Based on what scripture and by whose definition of convenient?

I am getting really sick of hearing Gabe, Doug, Aaron, and the rest put 
people down and continue the character assassination and the committing of 
acts of harassment just because we left what does not work for us - a very 
bad church that has the worship of God confused with the worship of Doug 
Wilson.

And that is just to the people whom you used to call "brothers and sisters 
in Christ."  What happened to the loyalty and convenient you made to them?  
What happened to the friendship you vowed to them?  That goes by the road 
side the second they leave the church simply because you don't like that 
they left?  So your "friendship" is based on your terms and not on what a 
true friend is all about - sticking it out no matter what?

Jesus's attitude about that is - YOU ARE WRONG!  He "consorted" with people 
the likes of which you don't even give a flip about, no matter if they were 
in the "church" or not.

Great example of His discipleship you're showing.

J  :]




>From: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:42:36 -0700
>
>Doug Farris Writes:
>
>
>
>How about a this class "How to Act 535: Breaking Vows and Making friends".
>It's graduate level and self directed.
>
>
>
>
>
>Me:
>
>
>
>So does this mean you don't like the idea of a class on thinking at my
>house?  The beer would even be on me.  Your proposal sounds interesting;
>ethics and action could be incorporated with my suggestion I think; but the
>self directed part seems a little less friendly.  As for the 'Breaking 
>Vows'
>part, if this is some witty allusion to my criticism of Doug Wilson and the
>subsequent handling of the backlash, I'm not sure what you are referring 
>to.
>Fighting for the peace and purity of CC has been one of my main objectives
>to all my actions, and I have obeyed every single exhortation from the
>Session of Christ Church.  They are claiming that this is not true, but 
>that
>is just because Doug Jones and Doug Wilson like to lie about people who
>criticize them, even though their lie here is well documented-this is where
>the 'peace and purity' comes in.  With that said, I must say I do not find
>your typical actions here on Vision 2020 the most becoming of a Christian
>man, particular while he is attempting to evangelize the native infidels.  
>I
>would recommend a little more sensitivity towards the feelings and beliefs
>of others, and focus on charitable persuasion and less on the belittling 
>and
>insulting.  I would even encourage you to make friends here on Vision 2020.
>Keep in mind that your baptism relates you to the Church at large,
>particularly those other churches and Christians in Moscow who do not 
>follow
>The Leader Wilson; this also puts you into a missional stance towards the
>entire world: there is no longer any jew or gentile.  The 'membership vow'
>stuff is really problematic to begin with, as it is a secondary,
>extra-biblical covenant to one splinter group with pledges of loyalty that
>are already implied in a more balanced way in your original baptism.  I
>tried arguing this with Wilson over four years ago; his response let me 
>know
>that he wanted me to leave town.  So when the opportunity came shortly
>afterward I did: to study in Michigan.  How in the world I got back here is
>beyond me, but I'm sure some of the reasons are found in old dusty books on
>psychology and cults.  But anyhow, I ramble.  See you around.
>
>
>
>Michael
>


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