[Vision2020] [advice]

[Scott Dredge]

Michael claims he has never knowlingly posted private emails.  I have no reason to doubt his word.  He may have very well accidently posted private emails.

-Scott

Robert Sentz <robsentz at hotmail.com> wrote: 
Mike said,

"I can therefore only suspect that you knowingly posted very private
correspondence from me to Vision 2020; this is something, ironically, I have
never done to my recollection. . ."

HMMMMM. Are you sure you've never reposted private correspondence before?

Rob



>From: "Michael" 
>To: , "Jerry Owen" 
>Subject: [Vision2020] [advice]
>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:48:40 -0700
>
>Jerry,
>
>
>
>Thanks for the note. My exhortation to you was clearly private, which you
>would have known for two reasons: first, it was addressed to you only and
>not to the vision 2020 list.  In fact, there was nothing in the subject
>line, 'To' field, or content that would have suggested I had sent it to
>Vision 2020.  Second, the content and tone of my email were clearly 
>private.
>I do not normally write to you that way and I do not make posts like that
>publicly on Vision 2020.
>
>
>
>I can therefore only suspect that you knowingly posted very private
>correspondence from me to Vision 2020; this is something, ironically, I 
>have
>never done to my recollection. The fact that you wrote to both myself and
>Vision 2020 demonstrates that it was not the sort of slip I made a few
>months ago.
>
>
>
>With that said, I noticed it seems as though you are attempting an argument
>here, or at least something similar to an argument; and so I will seek to
>answer this argument as best I can.  By 'everyone,' I was referencing-which
>I thought would have been fairly clear-my knowledge about what people
>outside of Christ Church (and some within) think about the general nature 
>of
>'kirker' posts on Vision 2020. Perhaps this was hyperbole, perhaps a bit
>misleading; if so, I apologize. Although, since I was writing to you and
>nobody else, how 'misleading' this was before you decided to post it to
>Vision 2020 was not very problematic.  Hopefully my clarification here is
>sufficient.
>
>
>
>There is plenty of internal evidence for my claim, and I meant to also 
>imply
>the fact that I most likely have a better feel for public opinion on the
>outside of Christ Church than you yourself do.  Further consider the
>important fact that my own embarrassment as a fellow kirker regarding these
>kinds of non-argumentative, rude, arrogant, or else vain posts soon turned
>to anger once I finally peeked inside this list. I was a Gre[a]yfriar
>student minding my own business, and I lifted the man hole and got a whiff
>only accidentally.  I have already provided a sampling of the more obtuse
>kind of rhetoric to which I am referring at the following link:
>http://poohsthink.com/?p=133
>
>
>
>Keep in mind as well that I exhorted Dale Courtney at two different times
>privately about the non-Christian approach to people within the local
>community, and even pointed out slanderous comments in addition to comments
>that were merely insulting or arrogant. He was apparently not interested in
>hearing my concerns.
>
>
>
>Lastly, you reference "Generous Orthodoxy."  Perhaps you mean to imply that
>I am not acting consistently with my defense of Brian McLaren's book 'A
>Generous Orthodoxy.'  I'm not sure how this would be so; if you read the
>book (ahem) you will find that McLaren is extremely hard on precisely that
>form of American Christianity that is well represented by Wilson and many
>kirkers.  In fact, McLaren gets out a little bit of a satirical 'serrated
>edge' for those arrogant Christians who refuse to embody a missional stance
>towards those without their 'walls,' set up by means of doctrinal
>distinctives and elitist conceptions of themselves. I have sought to follow
>'A Generous Orthodoxy' in this respect.  In fact, I informed Wilson to his
>face many months ago that I had concluded that he is the only person that
>currently deserves a full Serrated Edge, which is reserved for arrogant
>religious leaders who use people to further their own position; the 
>Serrated
>Edge is not to be employed towards non-Christian neighbors we live in
>community with, members of Christ Church who critique the Leader, nor folks
>who you find across your property line with a camera.
>
>
>
>I hope that helps.  And once again, after my experience with your tender 
>and
>pastoral heart and with the clear Group Think direction you are going in, I
>strongly encourage you to take a break from the Kirk.  I do believe you are
>gifted for the pastoral ministry at least in your ability to give yourself
>to the service of pastoral care; I think your continued involvement as a
>real 'insider' at the Kirk is damaging your ability to express these gifts.
>If you removed yourself entirely from Christ Church for a while, and its
>culture, and I think you would likely come to agree with my assessment.
>
>
>
>Yours
>
>Michael Metzler
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael,
>
>
>
>I don't think it's your place to speak on behalf of what 'everyone' sees in
>'stupid posts kirkers make to Vision 2020, including [mine]' but thanks for
>encouragement.  Generous orthodoxy indeed.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:11:47 -0700
>From: metzler2 at verizon.net
>Subject:
>To: owenjerry at hotmail.com
>
>Jerry,
>
>
>
>Go find a job somewhere else.  There are other decent churches out there.
>You don't see the vanity and pride in the stupid posts kirkers make to
>Vision 2020, including yours, but everyone else can.  Get out while you
>still have anything left of your Christian soul.
>
>
>
>Yours
>
>Michael
>
>
>


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