Michael claims he has never knowlingly posted private emails. I have no reason to doubt his word. He may have very well accidently posted private emails.<br><br>-Scott<br><br><b><i>Robert Sentz <robsentz@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br>Mike said,<br><br>"I can therefore only suspect that you knowingly posted very private<br>correspondence from me to Vision 2020; this is something, ironically, I have<br>never done to my recollection. . ."<br><br>HMMMMM. Are you sure you've never reposted private correspondence before?<br><br>Rob<br><br><br><br>>From: "Michael" <metzler@moscow.com><br>>To: <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Jerry Owen" <owenjerry@hotmail.com><br>>Subject: [Vision2020] [advice]<br>>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:48:40 -0700<br>><br>>Jerry,<br>><br>><br>><br>>Thanks for the note. My exhortation to you was clearly
private, which you<br>>would have known for two reasons: first, it was addressed to you only and<br>>not to the vision 2020 list. In fact, there was nothing in the subject<br>>line, 'To' field, or content that would have suggested I had sent it to<br>>Vision 2020. Second, the content and tone of my email were clearly <br>>private.<br>>I do not normally write to you that way and I do not make posts like that<br>>publicly on Vision 2020.<br>><br>><br>><br>>I can therefore only suspect that you knowingly posted very private<br>>correspondence from me to Vision 2020; this is something, ironically, I <br>>have<br>>never done to my recollection. The fact that you wrote to both myself and<br>>Vision 2020 demonstrates that it was not the sort of slip I made a few<br>>months ago.<br>><br>><br>><br>>With that said, I noticed it seems as though you are attempting an argument<br>>here, or at least something similar to an
argument; and so I will seek to<br>>answer this argument as best I can. By 'everyone,' I was referencing-which<br>>I thought would have been fairly clear-my knowledge about what people<br>>outside of Christ Church (and some within) think about the general nature <br>>of<br>>'kirker' posts on Vision 2020. Perhaps this was hyperbole, perhaps a bit<br>>misleading; if so, I apologize. Although, since I was writing to you and<br>>nobody else, how 'misleading' this was before you decided to post it to<br>>Vision 2020 was not very problematic. Hopefully my clarification here is<br>>sufficient.<br>><br>><br>><br>>There is plenty of internal evidence for my claim, and I meant to also <br>>imply<br>>the fact that I most likely have a better feel for public opinion on the<br>>outside of Christ Church than you yourself do. Further consider the<br>>important fact that my own embarrassment as a fellow kirker regarding
these<br>>kinds of non-argumentative, rude, arrogant, or else vain posts soon turned<br>>to anger once I finally peeked inside this list. I was a Gre[a]yfriar<br>>student minding my own business, and I lifted the man hole and got a whiff<br>>only accidentally. I have already provided a sampling of the more obtuse<br>>kind of rhetoric to which I am referring at the following link:<br>>http://poohsthink.com/?p=133<br>><br>><br>><br>>Keep in mind as well that I exhorted Dale Courtney at two different times<br>>privately about the non-Christian approach to people within the local<br>>community, and even pointed out slanderous comments in addition to comments<br>>that were merely insulting or arrogant. He was apparently not interested in<br>>hearing my concerns.<br>><br>><br>><br>>Lastly, you reference "Generous Orthodoxy." Perhaps you mean to imply that<br>>I am not acting consistently with my defense of Brian
McLaren's book 'A<br>>Generous Orthodoxy.' I'm not sure how this would be so; if you read the<br>>book (ahem) you will find that McLaren is extremely hard on precisely that<br>>form of American Christianity that is well represented by Wilson and many<br>>kirkers. In fact, McLaren gets out a little bit of a satirical 'serrated<br>>edge' for those arrogant Christians who refuse to embody a missional stance<br>>towards those without their 'walls,' set up by means of doctrinal<br>>distinctives and elitist conceptions of themselves. I have sought to follow<br>>'A Generous Orthodoxy' in this respect. In fact, I informed Wilson to his<br>>face many months ago that I had concluded that he is the only person that<br>>currently deserves a full Serrated Edge, which is reserved for arrogant<br>>religious leaders who use people to further their own position; the <br>>Serrated<br>>Edge is not to be employed towards non-Christian neighbors we
live in<br>>community with, members of Christ Church who critique the Leader, nor folks<br>>who you find across your property line with a camera.<br>><br>><br>><br>>I hope that helps. And once again, after my experience with your tender <br>>and<br>>pastoral heart and with the clear Group Think direction you are going in, I<br>>strongly encourage you to take a break from the Kirk. I do believe you are<br>>gifted for the pastoral ministry at least in your ability to give yourself<br>>to the service of pastoral care; I think your continued involvement as a<br>>real 'insider' at the Kirk is damaging your ability to express these gifts.<br>>If you removed yourself entirely from Christ Church for a while, and its<br>>culture, and I think you would likely come to agree with my assessment.<br>><br>><br>><br>>Yours<br>><br>>Michael
Metzler<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>Michael,<br>><br>><br>><br>>I don't think it's your place to speak on behalf of what 'everyone' sees in<br>>'stupid posts kirkers make to Vision 2020, including [mine]' but thanks for<br>>encouragement. Generous orthodoxy indeed.<br>><br>><br>><br>>Cheers,<br>><br>><br>><br>>Jerry<br>><br>><br>><br>> _____<br>><br>>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:11:47 -0700<br>>From: metzler2@verizon.net<br>>Subject:<br>>To: owenjerry@hotmail.com<br>><br>>Jerry,<br>><br>><br>><br>>Go find a job somewhere else. There are other decent churches out there.<br>>You don't see the vanity and pride in the stupid posts kirkers make to<br>>Vision 2020, including yours, but everyone else can. Get out while you<br>>still have anything left of your Christian
soul.<br>><br>><br>><br>>Yours<br>><br>>Michael<br>><br>><br>><br><br><br>>_____________________________________________________<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>>�����������������������������������������������������<br><br><br>_____________________________________________________<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br>
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