[Vision2020] Professor, educate thyself....

Wed Mar 22 08:19:35 PST 2006

eely says we will be "down on our knees by the end of the Bush Presidency. 
It may be sooner than that. Isn't it prophesized that Armageddon begins 
during the 7th year of the Anti-Christ's rule?

James

>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: joanopyr at moscow.com, chasuk at gmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Professor, educate thyself....
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:59:50 -0800
>
>
>Both Chas and Joan hit the nail on the head.  While I haven't traveled the 
>world -- only Canada and Mexico have had the dubious benefit of my presence 
>-- I think I have a fairly grounded perspective on politics and morality.
>
>(Waiting for ToeKnee, Courtney and the like to amass their comebacks . . . 
>)
>
>Clinton embarrassed himself.  Ken Starr embarrassed himself in elevating 
>adultery to a matter of national, albeit partisan, obsession.  W 
>embarrasses all of us -- and embarrassment is the least of our worries.  
>For the record, I'm glad our president doesn't appear to be entertaining 
>young ladies in the Oval Office, but in a very real sense, he'll have all 
>of us down on our knees by the end of his disastrous two terms in office.
>
>keely
>
>From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
>To: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>CC: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Professor, educate thyself....
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:02:25 -0800
>
>
>On 21 Mar 2006, at 19:54, Chasuk wrote:
>
>>On 3/21/06, ToeKneeTime at aol.com <ToeKneeTime at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You say Bush has done more to destroy America's reputation than ANY 
>>>AMERICAN
>>>you know.  We are still recovering from eight years as the laughingstock 
>>>of
>>>the world thanks to Bill Clinton.  He confirmed the impression many
>>>foreigners have of Americans as vulgar hedonists.
>>
>>I have tried to stay out of this, but this statement is too absurd to
>>ignore.  I had the experience of living for half of my lifetime
>>overseas, and can report that Reagan was largely considered a charming
>>buffoon.  He actively made made foreigners laugh at us, and in droves.
>>  Clinton was, and is, greatly admired.  Most of the world laughed
>>themselves sick that Americans wasted so much time chasing our
>>voyeuristic blowjob obsessions while ignoring real issues.  You are
>>WAY off the mark, here.  If you don't trust my experiences, look at
>>any polls.  Reagan was considered an unclever chimp, and Bush is
>>considered his less intelligent successor.
>
>I spent 1985-1986 living in Glasgow, Scotland.  Ronald Reagan was an enigma 
>to the Scots, the English, the Norwegians -- in short, to every non 
>US-citizen I ment.  No one could imagine how (or why) Americans had elected 
>a man who seemed to them such an obvious corn-pone phony.  I frequently 
>found myself in the awkward position of being called upon to answer for 
>something Reagan had said or done -- like his insistence on calling the 
>Soviet Union the "Evil Empire," or his bizarre remarks to a group of German 
>schoolchildren about how "we" should have invited the Native Americans to 
>become a part of the United States and not let them go about doing their 
>own thing on reservations.  (No, I am not making this up.)  I soon grew 
>tired of answering for Reagan, and tired of defending myself -- I didn't 
>vote for him.  Eventually, I'd just snap that he was my President, not my 
>father.  I was no more responsible for his actions than the British were 
>for Margaret Thatcher's.  If they were willing to take the blame for the 
>Falklands, then I'd be happy to answer for Grenada, but otherwise, how 
>about some commiseration and a friendly pint?
>
>Chasuk is quite right about Bill Clinton's reputation in Europe (and 
>Toe-Knee, quelle surprise, is quite wrong).  Clinton remains a political 
>hero in Ireland for his part in bringing about the Good Friday peace 
>accords.  There's an enormous bronze statue of him in Northern Ireland and 
>countless plaques honoring him throughout the Republic.  Anyone who has 
>traveled or, better yet, lived abroad knows that Clinton was always quite 
>popular outside the United States; the only British newspaper I remember 
>calling for his head over the Monica Lewinsky affair was The Economist.
>
>Who's the most popular U. S. President out there in the wider world?  Jimmy 
>Carter, of course.  A tireless peace activist, an international elections 
>observer, a respected mediator -- Ford, Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, 
>and Bush the Younger didn't/don't hold a candle to Carter in terms of 
>international stature.  I'm sure Toe-Knee will have something half-assed 
>and snotty to say about Jimmy Carter, but actions speak louder than words.  
>Who's out building houses for Habitat for Humanity and who's raking in war 
>bucks from the Carlyle Group?
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>www.joanopyr.com
>
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