[Vision2020] Unclear P & Z Notice

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Thu Mar 16 20:02:27 PST 2006 

Kit, thanks for the update/correction;

However, no matter who the group is or what side of the road they reside on, 
my stance is still the same...unless the owner/developer's plans follow the 
ordinances and Comp Plan AS IS and they plan to contribute to the community 
ON A WHOLE, I do not think they should get special treatment.  Otherwise, 
why not just consider abandoning the codes altogether and have at it?

If possible, could someone explain just how this is "a classic smart growth 
housing unit" project and, again, how does it fit into the Comp Plan and the 
New Cities?

J  :]




>From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
>To: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>, "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>, <deco at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Unclear P & Z Notice
>Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:36:01 -0800
>
>Kit is correct (again).
>The Commons development (which was referenced in the legal notice) is a
>classic "smart growth" housing unit that preserves about 7 acres of open
>space adjoining PCEI on Rodeo Drive on the east side of N. Polk.  I think
>this is a great project.
>Whatever Doug Wilson has planned is on the west side of N. Polk, adjacent 
>to
>his home.  I understand this plan is some kind of barracks/dorm/housing
>situation....
>BL
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; <deco at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Unclear P & Z Notice
>
>
> > This is a project near PCEI by the folks who did the Cottages and the
> > Silo, which is across the road and a bit farther North than the one
> > described below. That one has not yet been noticed.
> >
> > Kit Craine
> >
> > On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:29 PM, J Ford wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for letting everyone know about this project notice.  It is
> > > land that Wilson, Hoffman and Grey own and is located off of N.
> > > Polk extension...the word is that they are planning to build a
> > > "compound" that would house the NSA students and be the start of
> > > Wilsonvile in Moscow.  Basically, from what people in the area have
> > > been told, it will be a community within a community - a gated
> > > community at that.
> > >
> > > 1.  If the 200 NSA students are adequately housed now, why build a
> > > large compound?  Does this mean that the population of NSA is
> > > expected to enlarge significantly, as Roy Atwood hinted at in his
> > > NSA statement in Jan?  If so, does this not violate his and Bob H's
> > > promise to keep the downtown school at the present level?  Does
> > > this mean, perhaps, that the NSA would actually move out of downtown?
> > >
> > > 2.  Since there are NUMEROUS people living in that area that would
> > > be affected and in fact are NOW affected, i.e. intrusion onto their
> > > property with the closing off of the access road, how much more is
> > > this going to interrupt their lives?  To date, there is a fire
> > > access road that is consistently blocked by cars from students who
> > > go to Wilson's and Grey's homes for "study groups".  The City does
> > > little to relieve the problem when the neighbors complain, now.
> > > What is going to happen when that road is blocked by 200(+)
> > > students?  Just how are the present neighbors supposed to even
> > > access their homes if the area is turned over to this group?
> > >
> > > 3.  The compound, if allowed, will undoubtedly become tax exempt.
> > > How will that affect the tax base for Moscow when so many people in
> > > one area are not paying their fair share?  Will it not fall on the
> > > rest of us to pay for their fire/police/ambulance/city amenities
> > > both for the City and County Latah?
> > >
> > > 4.  Once again, we see THIS special interest group getting special
> > > treatment for their project, from the City.  With the hoops that
> > > WalMart is having to go through (they, BTW, would be paying taxes
> > > on their land and sales taxes to the State which benefits everyone)
> > > why is it that THIS group continually gets waivers and "look the
> > > other way" treatment?  Is it not the DUTY of these citizens
> > > (Wilson, et al) to abide by the law that the REST OF US have to?
> > > If the plans don't meet the requirements, why not re-make the
> > > project until it does?  Why not consider building outside of the
> > > City, away from neighbors and neighborhoods that have been
> > > established for years?
> > >
> > > 5.  Just how does this fall into line with not only the
> > > Comprehensive Plan but the New Cities?
> > >
> > > I know when the meeting occurs, there will be a lot of slick talk
> > > and promises made...since the record for this group is NOT good as
> > > far as keeping their word, why believe them on this project?
> > >
> > >
> > > J  :{
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> > >> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Unclear P & Z Notice
> > >> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:33:16 -0800
> > >>
> > >> Moscow Citizens with an interest in Planning and Zoning and/or
> > >> property tax equity:
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone know anything about the proposal referenced in the ad
> > >> below from yesterday's Daily News Legal Notices?
> > >>
> > >> The map in the Legal Notice is not legible, hence the location is
> > >> of the proposal is not clear from the map.  [Why would someone
> > >> even insert or authorize the insertion of such an illegible map in
> > >> a Legal Notice in the first place?]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The ad contains the following language:
> > >>
> > >> "The proposal would require modification to or waiver of certain
> > >> City development standards."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Such language should always raise a red flag for citizens
> > >> interested in the equitable and consistent application of planning
> > >> and zoning regulations.  The city has already demonstrated that
> > >> they are willing to look the other way for zoning violations:  NSA
> > >> (part of the Wilson & Family's Cult & Cash Machine).  Creating
> > >> another like mess should not be tolerated.
> > >>
> > >> The city has a comprehensive plan and a zoning ordinance.
> > >> Deviation from such should be looked at extremely carefully and
> > >> with a gargantuan amount of skepticism.
> > >>
> > >> Hence, it would behoove Moscow citizens to investigate this
> > >> proposal carefully and to make their opinions known, especially
> > >> about those parts of the proposal that would require modification
> > >> to or waiver of certain City development standards.  Persons who
> > >> live in the general area of Rodeo Drive (wherever that is) or
> > >> might be affected in some way by this enigmatic proposal might
> > >> find it profitable to visit the city planning department as the
> > >> notice itself suggests:
> > >>
> > >> "The file containing information on this matter is available for
> > >> public review (an appointment may be necessary) at the Community
> > >> Development Department located in the Paul Mann Building, 221 East
> > >> Second Street, Moscow, Idaho.  You may also call 883-7022 to get a
> > >> meeting agenda, further information about the application, the
> > >> public meeting process and/or to request a meeting with City Staff"
> > >>
> > >> "Additionally, you may obtain further information about the public
> > >> hearing process and procedures on the City's Website at: http://
> > >> www.ci.moscow.id.us/legal/PublicHearings.asp"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> When making an inquiry about this matter, citizens might also ask
> > >> how it came about that such an illegible map was included in the
> > >> Legal Notice, and since it was so illegible, shouldn't the Legal
> > >> Notice be run again, this time with a map which would give a small
> > >> hint about the actual location of the proposal so that those that
> > >> might be affected might stand a better chance of being informed.
> > >> [If the Legal Notice is not run again with a legible map, does the
> > >> notice meet statutory requirements?]
> > >>
> > >> Another question:  Is this proposal another attempt by special
> > >> interests to hijack Moscow citizens' interests and/or to evade
> > >> property taxes?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> > >> deco at moscow.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> << SNAGHTML14921b0.PNG >>
> > >
> > >
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