[Vision2020] RE: Unstable, Doomed, Missed Points

Fri Mar 10 17:13:36 PST 2006

Hi Again Mr. Crabtree,

Well, I'm not totally up-to-date on things, but I know Massachusetts &
Illinois *do* have state laws regarding this (any pharmacy that stocks
contraceptives must also stock Plan B).  Wal-Mart's violation of state law
was the basis for the lawsuits, which Wal-Mart lost.  Does anyone know the
current status on legislation in other states?

Wal-Mart *wasn't* in the clear, which is why they lost the lawsuits and
which is why, I presume, they've changed their policy regarding Plan B  :-)

HTH,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot at adelphia.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 4:51 PM
To: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: Unstable, Doomed, Missed Points

Greetings, Ms Lund. As you probably would expect, I am 100% against the
state compelling anyone to sell a product or provide a service that they
believe is morally wrong. To force a pharmacist to fill a prescription for a
product that he finds abhorrent is no different that forcing a pacifist,
anti second amendment type hardware store owner is sell affordable handguns
in accordance with applicable law.  As near as I can tell, it is not against
state or federal law to refuse to sell Plan B so as far as complying with
regulations, Wal-Mart was in the clear. With that being the case, do I take
from your reply that you're cool with WM's reticence to provide this
product?

G. Crabtree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Unstable, Doomed, Missed Points

Hi Again Mr. Crabtree,

I think you're trying to compare apples and bananas  :-)

No one forces Wal-Mart to operate pharmacies -- that's a choice they've
made.  Of course I expect them to comply with the laws of the states where
they *choose* to operate pharmacies as well as with any applicable federal
laws.

Just as I expect handgun retailers to comply with applicable laws and
regulations.

Don't you?

HTH,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:38 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'John D'; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: Unstable, Doomed, Missed Points

Ms Lund, How would you feel if instead of the contraceptive in this article
we substituted inexpensive handguns as the item which stores were compelled
to sell in spite of their desires? Substitute the NRA for NARAL. Feel the
same way about this imposition of state pressure on a retailer?

G. Crabtree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: "'John D'" <johnd550 at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Unstable, Doomed, Missed Points

> Sorry, John D -- you are ***several*** years behind:
>
> The New York Times
> March 4, 2006
>
> "In Reversal, Wal-Mart Will Sell Contraceptive
> By MICHAEL BARBARO
>
> Relenting to pressure from state government officials, Wal-Mart Stores
> said
> yesterday that it would begin carrying Plan B, an emergency contraception
> pill, in all of its United States pharmacies by the end of the month.
>
> But in a move that rankled some women's groups, Wal-Mart said that it
> would
> allow pharmacists who object to filling a Plan B prescription to refer
> customers to another pharmacist and, in some cases, to another pharmacy.
>
> Wal-Mart, which has 3,700 pharmacies, had been the only major chain that
> refused to sell the so-called morning-after pill, which can prevent
> pregnancy when taken within 72 hours of intercourse.
>
> The retailer's policy provoked criticism from groups like Naral Pro-Choice
> America and the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, which argued
> that
> because Wal-Mart was the only pharmacy in some areas, its decision to not
> carry the pill deprived women of access to a federally approved emergency
> contraceptive. . . "
> http://tinyurl.com/o97sc
>
> You asked:
> "Are there really places that are so isolated that they are not within
> driving distance of a pharmacy other than Wal-Mart, but still big ! enough
> to suport a Wal-Mart in the first place?"
>
> ABSOLUTELY!  Where have you been???  Perhaps you need to get around the US
> more . . .
>
> With respect to Wal-Mart and Dr. Ann Moliver Ruben's "Someday a Woman Will
> be President" T-shirts, you also wrote:
> "That's not exactly right. In 1994, the t-shirts (around 100 of them) were
> pulled from the ONE store in Florida where they were available, apparently
> because of a customer complaint. After one day of protests, Wal-Mart
> apologized and sold 50,000 t-shirts in 74 percent of their stores. You can
> read the story as Ann Moliver Ruben tells it herself here:
> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KVD/is_3_2/ai_95447403/pg_2"
>
> Yes, I *do* hope Visionaries read the real story because it's certainly
> not
> as innocuous as you'd like to have us believe, is it?
> "The Margaret T-shirt gained national notoriety in 1994 after one Wal-Mart
> store in Miramar, Florida carried it and when the national office of the
> company discovered that fact, they banned the Margaret T-shirt saying the
> message promoting female leadership went against their philosophy of
> family
> values. Dr. Ruben bought three shares of Wal-Mart stock and complained of
> this practice as a stockholder in a letter to the president of the
> company.
> She gave him three weeks to lift the ban and during that time she got a
> call
> from a senior vice-president of Wal-Mart offering her a bribe to shut up.
> She refused the bribe and instead after four weeks gave the story to
> Associated Press. Women from California to Connecticut marched in front of
> Wal-Mart stores. They threatened to boycott, tear up their Mr. Sam's cards
> and sell their Wal-Mart stock. Within 24 hours, the company changed its
> position and ended up buying 50,000 T-shirts in 1995. WOMEN ARE
> WONDERFUL."
> http://www.womenarewonderful.com/aboutus.html
>
> For those wanting to purchase one of those *fab* t-shirts, visit Women Are
> Wonderful Foundation:
> http://www.womenarewonderful.com/
>
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>
>
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