[Vision2020] illegals (was Loonball)

Sun Mar 5 12:34:41 PST 2006

Reading another poignant and poetic posting from Keely reminded me again
that some of the most passionate, personal, and profound writing is right
here.....
BL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; <thansen at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] illegals (was Loonball)

>
> Yes, Dan was joking.  Yes, Tom seems to have overreacted.  And yes, Matt,
> you appear to be grossly uninformed about "illegals" who "soak up"
benefits.
>   Since by "illegals" I'm guessing you don't mean "U.S.-born people of
Anglo
> origin who commit illegal acts," it's reasonable to conclude that you're
> afraid of Mexican-born people who cross the border without proper papers.
>
> While living in Western Washington, I was privileged to work for 12 years
> with recently arrived Mexican immigrants to the U.S.  Some were here with
> legal papers.  Most were not.  But I don't know of anyone who didn't work,
> didn't try to raise a family, and didn't try to fit in.  Some made use of
> government services; all paid taxes into the system that provides those
> services.
>
> No one came to "soak up" benefits, Matt.  They came to work.  I knew of
> families who were provided beat up old travel trailers to live in -- with
> water provided by a hose through the window -- and then had "rent" of
nearly
> half their wages deducted for the privilege of living like that.  Choice?
> Nope.  Some dairy owners want their employees on site and considered it a
> requirement.   Mom, Dad and three kids in an 18-foot travel trailer on the
> grounds of a working dairy farm . . . sounds like a hell of a deal to me.
> Others trained their new workers for two or three weeks without pay,
> claiming that U.S. law didn't require "paid training."  Quite a few
pocketed
> FICA and worker's comp deductions, leaving employees without coverage in
> case of an accident, and others refused to provide even simple amenities
> like toilets and fresh drinking water for employees.  Landlords rented
one-
> and two-room apartments with standing water, cockroaches, and mold-covered
> walls to groups of men and families, then denied them their deposits for
> things like leaving the keys on the window sill instead of the table.
>
> I used to eat pollo en mole every Wednesday with a family living in an old
> travel trailer, I've stood ankle-deep in cow manure pleading for someone's
> check, I've helped bail water out of the sink and bathtub of apartments I
> wouldn't keep my dog in, and I've seen children playing in fields of
> effluent and living in trailers so damp that floors were reinforced with
> cement bricks from underneath.  My ministry was a one-woman affair with
more
> poverty and degradation than I suspect you've ever seen, Matt, but I'm not
> the hero in any of this.  I'm just a witness to the struggles of those who
> heroically risk life and limb to make a life for themselves in the United
> States, and I'm a far better person than I would have been for having been
> able to help them once they arrived.  I'll let God decide whether their
> coming here was a sin or not, but I feel pretty comfortable saying that
> you're on shaky ground assuming that all who do come, come to just bleed
you
> dry.
>
> keely
>
> From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> To: thansen at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Just Another Loonball
> Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:27:43 -0800
>
>
> Why Tom I believe Dan is serious. He doesn't want 28 million raving
> Californians up here, and who does. Tom you cant stand a super wal mart,
> what on gods green earth would you do with a bunch of illegals soaking up
> all of your VA benefits?
>
> Come on Tom, Dan was joking. What you said was below the belt.
>
> We miss ya Phil
> Matt
> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Just Another Loonball
> >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:04:20 -0800
> >
> >Dan Carscallen stated in response to "Questionith all seriousness) at:
> >
> >http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-March/026594.html
> >
> >"Dangit, I hope I didn't talk any nutjob loonball Californians into
> >movin' up here!"
> >
> >Thank you, Dan, for so easily illustrating why you are a two-time loser
in
> >elections.
> >
> >My Suggestion:  When it comes to serious issues, be serious.
> >
> >Tom Hansen
> >Just Another Serious California Loonball
> >
> >"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
change
> >and the REALIST adjusts his sails."
> >- Unknown
> >
> >
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