[Vision2020] Animal Kingdom

[sean]

Good point, rhetorical as it is.  Perhaps consent 
isn't even necessary if we're all animals?  Eat 
your mate.  Fight for your herd size.

Perhaps 'natural', as used by posters, needs some 
preface.  Natural as in each species fighting for 
its desires?  Natural as in humans ascended? 
Natural as in fallen state?

That said, will Vision2020 listers who support 
same sex marriage support polygamy?  Perhaps 
their ranks could join forces.  It might prove to 
be a marriage of convenience.

s

>Not sure you understand the animal kingdom all 
>that well.  Many, MANY species including birds 
>and even some spiders have only one mate for 
>their lifespan (given:  some female spiders eat 
>their mate, but widowhood is a good reason to 
>engage in multiple marriages, right?)
>
>Just thought I'd throw that out there.
>
>J  :]
>
>
>
>>From: sean <o2design at wsu.edu>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: [Vision2020] Gay marriage......  an oxymoron......Polygamy???
>>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:37:08 -0800
>>
>>Can anyone comment on if polygamy falls under 
>>the same reasoning for acceptance as same-sex 
>>marriages?  It seems quite natural (if other 
>>species are the measure of "natural" for our 
>>species).  It, like other relationships, can be 
>>equally consensual (though perhaps there are 
>>documented coercive examples).
>>
>>While I may find the idea of a third set of 
>>hands of the wheel of our family unsettling, 
>>why not for others?  Hey, there are days I'd 
>>appreciate some guy mowing the lawn.  Maybe 
>>having another woman present to commiserate w/ 
>>about the kids would be uplifting for my wife.
>>
>>Why all these artificial and unnatural limitations on marriages?
>>
>>s
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2 Mar 2006, at 13:16, joekc at adelphia.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>Donovan,
>>>>
>>>>Good point. But the consequences of 
>>>>forbidding same-sex marriage go even further 
>>>>still. My wife and I, Christian as we be, 
>>>>have no intention of having children any 
>>>>longer. We have one wonderful son and that is 
>>>>all we'd like to have. If you follow the 
>>>>anti-same-sex marriage arguments, the web or 
>>>>irrationality is suddenly thrust on us, as 
>>>>well.
>>>>
>>>>At best, folks like Tony can only appeal to 
>>>>the Argument from Nature: "Homosexuality"*™ 
>>>>is unnatural; therefore, it is immoral, or 
>>>>laws against it are justified.
>>>>
>>>>This is as bad of an argument as there is. 
>>>>First, there is little reason to accept the 
>>>>premise, given the prevalence of gays and 
>>>>lesbians in society. Second, even if you 
>>>>accept the premise, there is little reason to 
>>>>accept either conclusion. Flying in an 
>>>>airplane is unnatural. Is it immoral? Should 
>>>>it be illegal? Again, once we begin to accept 
>>>>such irrational arguments a rather wide net 
>>>>is cast, one that catches far more than those 
>>>>originally intended.
>>>>
>>>>Iâ*™m against laws limiting marriage, for 
>>>>most of them are based on general principles 
>>>>that would, if carried out to their full 
>>>>extent, compromise my own choices and 
>>>>actions. I don't have to be gay to be against 
>>>>them. The lesson to learn is that injustice 
>>>>anywhere is a threat to freedom everywhere.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Joe Campbell
>>>>
>>>
>>>Good points, all.  I would go further and 
>>>point out that homosexual behavior is far from 
>>>unnatural; it's actually quite common 
>>>throughout the biological world.  I recommend 
>>>the books "Biological Exuberance" and, for a 
>>>humorous as well as a factual take on the 
>>>whole matter, "Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice for 
>>>All Creation." Same-sex couplings among the 
>>>higher orders are frequent and well 
>>>documented.  The unnatural argument is nothing 
>>>more than homophobia masquerading as science. 
>>>It's simply Toe-Knee-Time's way of saying 
>>>"ick" without accepting the repercussions.
>>>
>>>Which brings me to a question:  Toe-Knee-Time, 
>>>real person, troll, or instructions for doing 
>>>the Hokey Pokey?
>>>
>>>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>>>www.joanopyr.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>--
>>Thanks,
>>s
>>
>>
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>>         Sean Michael
>>         .dwg
>>
>>
>>"the climbs are life"
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Thanks,
s


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         Sean Michael
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