[Vision2020] ignorant Republican tactic

Thu Mar 2 07:27:33 PST 2006

Well Phil that wasn't to bad for you. I was expecting you to say that my 
next move was to destroy the Jews. You are still full of crap. Starr looked 
at everything there was possible to indict the Clinton's. All of the 
accusations against the Clintons were found to be without merit. Just 
because a bunch of "Contract against America folK" made a bunch of false 
accusations as an attempt to spoil his Presidency doesn't mean anything. 
Lawful deliberations found the accusations to be false. It is simple as 
that.

And as for calling you a stupid Republican buddy, you are in the class of a 
small minority of Republicans that do behave stupidly. You live your life 
with the Rove mentality of avoiding the issues and making up fact to suit 
your own political purpose at the expense of our country. Clinton has not 
been president for many years now. He really doesn't matter any more 
what-so-ever. The only reason you constantly bring him up is to baffle with 
bull. How would it be if every time you said something, everyone just said 
Iran-Contra or Watergate?

You can support whatever politics you want to but at least deal with the 
issues honestly and quit pulling your Jew pity card.

James

>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] ignorant Republican tactic
>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:09:03 -0800
>
>James
>
>Now you are proving yourself to be a complete raving looney.
>
>If you bother to go to the record, you will find that both I and Lemhi 
>County Sheriff Bret Barsalou testified before House and Senate Committees 
>on illegal surveliance.  The hearings were covered by the papers, so you 
>should not have to tough a time finding them.  If you want copies of the 
>papers from the time period I will be glad to provide them.
>
>I suggested off line that if you needed proof from a source other than a 
>Republican that you can call Jackson Hole Attorney and Liberal Democrat 
>Gerry Spence.  Gerry is a strong Civil Libertarian and has handled a lot of 
>case involving misconduct by Federal law enforcement during that time 
>frame.
>
>Similarly, the ACLU handled a large number of cases during that time frame 
>involving wire tapping on domestic targets.  If you read what they had to 
>say, they claimed that of 2.1 million phone conversation recorded by the 
>DOJ from 1993-1995, 1.5 million of the calls were not related to any law 
>enforcement purpose.
>
>I testified at the hearings in Boise and Bret before both the committee in 
>Boise and the ones in DC.  I may even have tape recording of Bret's 
>testimony in DC if you care to watch it.
>
>Bret testified that not only were illegal activities occurring, but that 
>when he tried to call a halt to actions by certain Federal Agents doing 
>warrantless searches, he received threatening phone calls for DOJ.  Its 
>part of the Congressional record, but hey, go back to old copies of the 
>Idaho Statesman and I am sure that you can read a blow by blow free of GOP 
>taint if that’s your trip.
>
>You see, James, you are not willing to accept that your team is corrupt.  I 
>am only too willing to admit that there are members of the GOP who think 
>themselves above the law and only to willing if and when they are found 
>guilty of such actions to see them punished to the full extent of the law.  
>But you are unwilling to accept that even one Liberal Democrat would tap a 
>phone, spy on GOP opponents, try to quash local law enforcement whistle 
>blowing on such action or any of the rest.
>
>You want to call half of America, the GOP half; scum and idiots, then 
>suggest that we all work together.  Why exactly are we going to work with 
>somebody who calls us all liars and scum bags?
>
>Frankly James, you are a small person who does not do his own research and 
>can only mouth the responses that somebody else feeds you.  Wake up and 
>read some things from something other than one of your partisan websites.  
>Nobody is clean in politics, not you hero Bill Clinton, or Albert Gore, or 
>Janet Reno for certain.
>
>Now, bring me a case of the Bush administration conducting wire tapping 
>without warrant on a US Citizen in a domestic political matter, not the 
>current cases that involve overseas calls and foreign subjects and national 
>security, but tapping the phones of voters who disagree with the Bush 
>Administration in domestic politics.  A congressional hearing, an FBI file, 
>some sort of proof please and not the nattering you seem to do so well.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: [Vision2020] ignorant Republican tactic
>>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:36:48 -0800
>>
>>The tactic of the Republican party of baffling everyone with bull was 
>>demonstrated by both Phil and Pat today on this list.
>>
>>Their ignorant little Swift boat tactic is not only stupid and 
>>unproductive but it is getting awfully old besides.... as in tiresome.
>>
>>When Phil reads  my post that mentioned Bushes' illegal wire taps he 
>>babbles about some make believe wire tapping conspiracy against him by the 
>>Clinton administration. Of course this is the first time anyone has heard 
>>of it, while Kenneth Starr spent 5 years digging up dirt on the Clintons 
>>for the Republican party. When I asked for proof of this great conspiracy 
>>(off list), none was offered....I just got more outlandish babble about 
>>more unsubstantiated conspiracies committed by the Clintons and Janet 
>>Reno.
>>
>>It has become their natural instinct to lie and mislead to win a contrived 
>>argument that means nothing. It is time for you childess little children 
>>of Bush to realize the facts of your chosen ass of a president and pull 
>>your heads out of the republican handbook (read Rove) of devious 
>>maneuverings and become grownups that deal with the truth. The crap you 
>>spew is getting our country nowhere but the wrong place.
>>
>>Pat, the other follower of the Rove tactic goes off protecting Bushes 
>>attack on our constitution by ranting about throw away cell phones and how 
>>they make it OK to illegally spy on American citizens. The CIA said that 
>>none of the taps have given then anything but dead end leads to pizza 
>>delivery boys and such and yet Pat claims that they only;y tap overseas 
>>calls. Then Pat in her simple minded way goes on to say that I don't 
>>understand the complexities of the world. A stupid remark if there ever 
>>was.
>>
>>Like I said before "My Momma says the only thing more stupid than a 
>>republican is more than one Republican"  these two clowns epitomize what 
>>my momma said.
>>
>>Once again I will say the fact that Bush has run our country down in so 
>>many ways is not about Clinton vs. Bush nor is it about Democrats vs. 
>>Republicans; it is about the American people vs. a government 
>>nonresponsive to its citizens needs or desires. It is about a government 
>>that is deliberately placing the country in an impossible debt situation 
>>to where we spend almost as much on interest on the accumulated debt as we 
>>do our defense. It is about a government that has delivered the loss of 
>>our strategic manufacturing sector. We all know the long list of 
>>grievances we have against this government, I won't pile them up here, but 
>>I will once again mention that this President and his VP as well as his 
>>cabinet deceived the American people and congress to take us to a war that 
>>is still escalating....still sending our young people home in body bags 
>>and savagely wounded. We have to get rid of this mess and get America back 
>>on the right track. Enough bullshit and deception, lets work together to 
>>save our country.
>>
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