[Vision2020] Re: Gay marriage...... an oxymoron......

[J Ford]

Totally agree with your first sentence and I thought about adding that but 
Mr. ToeKnee specfically stated men leaving their families and so I just put 
THOSE figures out there.  He set the parameters and I went with them.

I totally support your other statements, as well.

Thanks for pointing things out...

J  :]




>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Gay marriage...... an oxymoron......
>Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:45:37 -0800
>
>J
>
>I have to jump in there.  The figures for dead beat moms are not exactly 
>rosey either.  Most single sole custody fathers, at a rate of 80% are owed 
>child support.  Its a systemic problem.  The parent who ends the marriage 
>and heads for the hills seems most often to figure that the kids and 
>raising them, paying for their upkeep and providing them with emotional 
>succor is the job of the custodial parent.  The margins are changing to, 
>more and more guys are the ones getting their kids and there is darn little 
>support network out there for new single dads.
>
>You have raised kids in a single parent household, as have I.  Maybe that 
>is why its easier to see that two parents, hetro or homo, gay, lesbian, 
>straight or maritan, is one heck of a lot easier for kids than just one 
>parent.
>
>There are a lot of kids out there with no parents.  Is it better for them 
>to be raised with no parents or to allow gay couples to adopt?  I think 
>thats a no brainer, since a kid needs a parent or two if at all possible.  
>If raising kids is the reason that marriage is an institution and that 
>people should have benefits, than the benefit should be granted to all 
>couples with kids and even to singles with kids.  Thats not about 
>toleration, its about equal protection under the law.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Gay marriage...... an oxymoron......
>>Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:11:24 -0800
>>
>>Using this, uh, logic...we's in trouble dude.  Over 50% of hetrosexual 
>>marriages end in divorce, 10-15% of them with violence as part of the 
>>daily life, towards the wife AND children.  Of the men that leave the 
>>marriage, over 60% of them don't provide support willingly, if at all, 
>>much less visit their children and/or participate in their upbringing.  Of 
>>course, that is taking it for granted that what you mean by 
>>"facilitat(ing) the raising of offspring" is NOT simply the act of 
>>creating them.
>>
>>Marriage is the union of two people who make certain promises to each 
>>other as well as to God/the community.  Life happens and things don't 
>>always work out as planned.  Just ask Greg Dickison.
>>
>>J  :]
>>
>>>From: ToeKneeTime at aol.com
>>>
>>>Scott,
>>>
>>>It is my understanding that the entire purpose behind the institution of
>>>marriage was to facilitate the raising of offspring.  To ensure that the  
>>>male
>>>did not simply abandon the female and their children, leaving them to  
>>>fend for
>>>themselves.  Whatever you want to call 2 men or 2 woman living  together, 
>>>it
>>>sure isn't marriage.
>>>
>>>Best,  Tony
>>
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