[Vision2020] Christ Church and freedom of religion

[Joe Campbell]

Paul writes: “Opponents of Christ Church: Do you believe that Freedom of Religion trumps your own personal views of their theology? Are you willing to live and let live if they truly wish not to push their views on others?"

No and yes; well, sort of. I have no fear that the folks from CC are going to "push their views" on me. Some of their views I already accept and the ones that I don't I am unlikely to accept no matter how hard they push. So this isn't really the issue.

I have a hard time believing that the more vocal members of CC -- Doug Wilson, Dale Courtney (spell check?), Ed Iverson -- are just expressing their views. Check out the posting on Vision 2020 from Princess Taro Tanaka, dated Friday, June 23, 2006 10:44 PM. Do you think he’s merely expressing his views about “sodomites”? Or is he using this venue as an opportunity to fling insults at a group that he despises, all in the name of Christ? When Wilson suggests that slavery wasn’t as bad as we thought it was, is this a viewpoint that he is bringing up for debate? Ask your African-American friends what they think about this "debate".

Keep in mind that many of the critics of CC are Christians. So it isn’t really a battle of one religious group against the leftist-Intoleristas. That is just a smoke-screen.

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Joe Campbell

---- Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote: 

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I am new here, so forgive my questions.  I've read a bit on this list of 
the back-and-forth postings concerning this one church and it's left me 
confused.  I've read the article in the Blot about the church, as well.  
I should also mention that one of my closest friends is a member of the 
church, even though we rarely if ever agree on theology.

What it all boils down to for me is this one simple question:  Does the 
leadership of Christ Church respect freedom of religion?  Are they 
pushing some kind of agenda to make over Moscow into a Christian-only area?

The rest of the discussions don't interest me, for the most part.  My 
theological views are pretty much orthogonal to those of Christ Church 
members as I understand them, so it's pointless for me to debate about 
them.  I could care less if they serve alcohol at Trinity Fest, I'll 
leave that to the people whose job it is to make those decisions.  The 
submission of women topic doesn't bother me because the women of that 
church don't seem to have any problems with it.  I don't even really 
care about the whole Sitler thing because there are so many 
inconsistencies between both versions of events that I'll probably never 
know what really happened or who should have done what when. 

If we freedom-loving people of Moscow practice what we preach, then why 
be up in arms about their views?  Why worry if they are successful?  
More power to them. 

However, if they are truly trying to stifle freedom of religion in 
others here in the community then I will be worried. 

Members of Christ Church: Do you wish to rework Moscow into a Christ 
Church-derived paradise?  Or do you believe fully in Free Will?

Opponents of Christ Church: Do you believe that Freedom of Religion 
trumps your own personal views of their theology?  Are you willing to 
live and let live if they truly wish not to push their views on others?

Paul

If I'm being presumptious here, I'm sorry.  I came here hoping for 
reasoned debate and see mostly mud-slinging and name-calling by both sides.

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