[Vision2020] (Formally known as:Photos Tell All) Now changing thread topic to:"Now for something entirely different to make Michael happy and stick to the unpublished norms!"

Thu Jun 22 12:07:28 PDT 2006

I just want to make sure that I have your position correct, Doug.

You think that as long as you and the other Dougs are not running for political office, you and the other Dougs have the right to say anything about anyone that you nd the other Dougs wish to say? Is that it?

You think that if I decide not to run for council, then it is OK for me to refer to you and the other Dougs as "Androids" but if I decide to run for council, then it is not OK for me to call you and the other Dougs "Androids." Is that right?

If so, then that leaves me with a very difficult decision!*

Best, Joe

* This is a joke. I do not think it is ever permissable to call another person an "Android" -- not that I haven't done worse!

---- heirdoug at netscape.net wrote: 

=============
Joe,

I think I answered your first question already with: "Two wrongs don't 
make a right but three lefts do!" And I think I would answer you the 
same way in your "logic" class.

To answer your second question.... I'm not running for office!

I also didn't take people's money to vote a certain way once in office. 
Because we function under a "Representative Republic" and not a 
Democracy, I would try to "Represent" ALL of my constituents not just a 
select few!

Happy to answer any of your questions!
lemeno, doug!

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: heirdoug at netscape.net
Cc: metzler at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:46:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (Formally known as:Photos Tell All) Now 
changing thread topic to:"Now for something entirely different to make 
Michael happy and stick to the unpublished norms!"

I am pretty confident that Michael is not infultrating Vision 2020, 
Doug. Other
than in a purely Christian way, of course.

One question. Why do Two Wrongs Make a Right? (I put it in caps since I 
use this
as a name of a fallacy in my logic class.)

You write that "Blind 2020" is "similar to a septic system in that one 
needs to
'airate the sludge from time to time in order for the good bactiria to 
break
down the crap and turn it back into clean water and fertilizer'." How 
is it OK
to say this yet not OK to refer to folks from NSA as "Androids"?

I'm just askin'!

--
Joe Campbell

---- heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

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Mike,

Does this help? I would like to change topics, sort of. You made a
statement below that I thought was curious. You said, "As one kirker
explained, Vision 2020 is a slew of shit and I was an idiot for even
talking to the people who post to it."

I was wondering if you were re-phrasing what I had privatelly talked to
you over the phone last year when I was trying to get your perspective
on all of this. I think the conversation was about Jackie Wolfe. I had
mentioned that maybe you should go easy on here because of her frail
condition. You said you were just trying to understand all of the
players.

You also mentioned that the mission you were on to infiltrate the
"intolerista" web zone would soon come to fruition or something like
that. That's when I mentioned that Blind 2020 was similar to a septic
system in that one needs to "airate the sludge from time to time in
order for the good bactiria to break down the crap and turn it back
into clean water and fertilizer." I think those were my exact words.

If I got any thing wrong or you wish to discuss this as an apologetic
discussion about fertilizer and the gospel (sort of along the lines of
death, burial and resurection.) Would that fit the mentality and
spiritual condition of "the typical evangelical Christian" as you
called them.

lemeno, Doug!

PS. I didn't see Keely wearing a Trinity fest badge when we cordially
met that night.

Rob,
For a little background: You directed your insults my direction not long
ago, but in more direct fashion. You and I were friends. I had you over
to
my house for dinner. I employed you and we worked together a bit. We
talked about business, your life aspirations, your current work, your
history. I offered you nothing but kindness and hospitality. Then one
day I
started a web site and I was criticizing your pastor's slander of
another
minister-continuing an already public discussion. You jumped on without
any
notice or private communication and began mocking me, ridiculing sincere
comments, and intentionally breaking the very rules I laid out for
posting
to my private web site. This response here is the first time you have
treated me like a human being, and you have not initiated any private
correspondence with me throughout all this. Not only is this not
Christian
behavior, this is not sociological normal within stable civilizations
generally speaking; i.e., the 'pagans' usually do far better than this.
It is not hard to see the Kirk edge here either, albeit in more subtle,
creative form. This is a community, public, forum; this is not a three
way
call between three junior-high jocks. When posting, folks make sure the
content of the post is coherent-which is politeness to any reader
trying to
figure out if there is something generally of interest to read. When
posting, folks also insure that the content of the post matches Subject
title for convenience to the general readership. Folks are also polite
enough to choose a different subject title when they decide to post on
something entirely different than the current topic of discussion. You
and
your associates know all of this, which is why you are posting the way
you
do, intentionally breaking all of these norms. You do so not to
illustrate
a productive point or to encourage anyone to truth or good deeds;
rather,
you do so to vandalize a forum that you consider a threat and a
nuisance.
As one kirker explained, Vision 2020 is a slew of shit and I was an
idiot
for even talking to the people who post to it. Wilson has sought to get
it
exterminated, and refers to this forum as "moonbats" and "Purblind."
Most
kirkers will at least call it Venom2020. I can't speak for others, but I
know that I would prefer profanity and name calling to someone
high-jacking
the threads that I tried to generate, particularly when I know it is
because
they have no respect for me and do not like what I am talking about.
None of
you even experiment in offering kindness or understanding to your
opponents,
nor do you give simple rational discourse a chance. I was of course
referring all of the kirkers engaging in this new practice.
If you think that the arguments Tom and J Ford have presented regarding
the
pictures are unsound, feel free to point this out in a way that gives
other
people a reason to read your posting under the thread generated by these
arguments. And again, I'm sad to see you spend your time on this list in
such a way when there is currently an apologetic discussion about
submission
and the gospel going on. That would typically be far more interesting
to the
typical evangelical Christian.
I hope that helps explain. Let me know if you have any further
questions.
Michael

Mike

Who did I insult?

Jackie provided a link to the Trinity Fest pictures on the Trinity Fest
web-page . . .they are fun pictures, and not very controversial.

Rob

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