[Vision2020] Liberal Moscow (correction)

[Joan Opyr]

On Jun 10, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Chasuk wrote:

> On 6/10/06, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "We will approve or reject subscribers based on bad history,..."
>
> And:
>
>> What standards will he apply to "bozo" participants?  The standards 
>> of his
>> excessive posting patterns, or the motto, "Don't do as I do but do as 
>> I
>> say?"
>
>> "Liberal" indeed!
>
> I don't recall every being in any conflict with you, Ted.  Why are you
> picking on me?  :-)
>
> As for "bad history," I believe that Joan is referring to flames and
> trolls, not the minor transgression of informal rules of etiquette.
> There are a few Vision2020 subscribers who participate only to
> disrupt, and I don't think that it displays any lack of of liberality
> to wish a sanctuary from such behavior.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chas

Chasuk is correct, Ted.  New blog; new rules.  The rules won't suit 
everyone, but they will apply to everyone.  One of the reasons that 
Chasuk and I will be co-moderating is so that we can mind each other if 
either of us gets out of hand.  I can remind him if he's popping over 
the posting limit, and he can tell me I'm being an awful crab's ass.  
If you want Liberal as in libertarian, then you've already got it righ 
here; the speech on Vision 2020 is about as free as it gets.  You take 
the good with the bad and the ugly.  We're aiming to create a somewhat 
different space on the Liberal Moscow blog, and we're creating it in 
response to an oft-stated desire by many members of this list for a 
return to real topics, real issues, and some semblance of civility 
without the stifling of disagreement.  As I said in my earlier post, 
we're not out to supplant Vision 2020 but to offer another (safer) 
space for dialog.  This, we believe, requires moderators; and, in our 
case, we'll be moderators who willingly subject our actions to the 
scrutiny of blog members.

Participation in Liberal Moscow does not preclude participation in 
Vision 2020.  I would be very sad if it did.  But I'm reminded of a 
line from Terry Pratchett's Thud!  The City Watch of Ank-Morpok is 
hiring its first vampire officer.  A crowd has gathered outside the 
station to protest, waving signs that say "Bloodsuckers Out" and "No 
Fangs."  They're verging on a riot.  There to record the event is the 
vampire photographer, Otto Chriek, who is called upon to defend the 
freedom of the press.  Commander Vimes of the City Watch objects: 
"Freedom to pour oil on a flame, do you mean?"  Otto replies, "Zat's 
freedom for you.  No one said it vas nice."

There you have it.  Some have said that true freedom would be so 
terrifying that only the divine or lunatics could cope with it.  I'll 
be sorry not to have you participate on Liberal Moscow as you 
participate over here, Ted.  I'm not on Vision 2020 very much these 
days, and I do enjoy your posts.  I would ask you to reconsider as I 
know you consider things very carefully.  Do think about it.  Jane 
Siberry would want you to . . .

Okay, that was a low blow!  What would Jane Siberry do?  It ought to be 
a bumper sticker.

Joan

Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com
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