[Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sun Jun 4 22:56:11 PDT 2006
Ah, but there is the rub...I do know them and of them...and they most
certainly do repeat what they are told by your "pastor"...who remains
unordained by any church or any recognized organization.
J :]
>From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin
>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:50:31 -0700
>
>I don't have to get permission from my pastor to do things. I don't *have*
>to seek input from my pastor to make decisions, but I often do (and isn't
>that something pastors are for?). I also seek input from other men and
>women
>in my church who I respect. If you knew these people you would not be able
>to charge them of being brainwashed or endlessly repeating Douglas Wilson
>catch-phrases.
>
>-Austin
>
>On 6/4/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Miss Keely;
>>
>>Problem with your suggestions is that Austin, like so many of the "men" in
>>the kirkhood, would have to (a) get permission from Daddy Dougie; (b) seek
>>his input regarding these issues; (c) get his permission to repeat his
>>response; (d) spew forth the poison that Dougie likes to brainwash his
>>dumblings with.
>>
>>In other words - won't work. All you'd get is more of Dougie' rhetoric
>>and
>>we've heard that enough times to chock a horse.
>>
>>Good try, though. Its just too bad there really are no "men" in kirkhood
>>to
>>take up the challenge and go it alone. The one Man that did, Michael, has
>>been excommunicated, shunned, driven out of business and mayhap even out
>>of
>>town here soon. Truly a "christian" means of attack if there ever was -
>>NOT!
>>
>>J :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>> >To: austinstorm at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin
>> >Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:52:22 -0700
>> >
>> >Austin,
>> >
>> >Doug Farris' little snippet of humor referred to the IBTA decision
>>stemming
>> >from Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund's complaint regarding tax exemption,
>>not
>> >from Don Huskey's complaint about boarding houses. Big difference.
>>Huge
>> >one, in fact. You might want to take a step back and re-read her post.
>> >Then, if you'd like some more history, I'd be happy to meet with you.
>> >
>> >As far as walking a mile in Doug Farris' shoes to understand the source
>>of
>> >his vitriol, I'll decline. Not because I'm not an empathic person --
>>I'd
>> >like to think I am -- but because that would indicate that the original
>> >taxation complaint was a personal slam against Kirkers, Doug and
>>yourself
>> >included. It wasn't. It's not personal, it's legal, Austin. Christ
>> >Church has been the focus of legitimate complaints regarding taxation,
>>its
>> >NSA presence downtown, and illegal boarding houses throughout Moscow.
>>No
>> >other church has because no other church offends in those ways -- even,
>> >maybe especially, those Biblically conservative churches whose theology
>>has
>> >the same doctrinal roots as yours. In addition, Moscow has been treated
>>to
>> >a smorgasbord of other activities, some illegal (gambling casinos) and
>>some
>> >merely offensive in their bigotry, stupidity, and arrogance (time
>>doesn't
>> >allow me to enumerate these) that Kirk elders have been linked to. You
>> >might be too young to remember that while the elders evidently were
>> >disgusted by the casinos, for example, their subsequent behavior in
>> >handling the mess was at least as immoral as that of the future men who
>>ran
>> >the thing. And the staggering quantity and quality of bad behavior and
>> >arrogant pronouncements your elders and pastor have demonstrated in the
>> >public square is both mind-boggling and heart-rending to a lot of us.
>> >
>> >But, of course, you don't believe me. Why would you? The Intoleristas
>> >you've been told to hold in such disdain are just a rag-tag group of
>> >hellbound malcontents, right? I mean, there couldn't be any merit to
>>our
>> >objections -- it's just personal, an objection of the saints being
>> >persecuted for righteousness.
>> >
>> >So here's an idea, if you're mature enough in your faith to give it a
>>try.
>> >Why not, while still remaining kind and charitable, simply put away for
>>a
>> >time the personal elements of this situation -- set aside the cries of
>> >persecution from your community and put up on a shelf your animus toward
>> >mine -- and then do something truly radical: Look at the facts. Check
>> >your Bible and see if your theology squares. See how Doug Wilson, never
>> >mind Doug Farris, matches up to the great saints of the New Testament
>> >church. Read court documents. Read a magazine that doesn't come from
>> >Canon Press. Talk to people from outside of the church -- those who
>>were
>> >in and left and those who never have been Kirkers. Pray, and be willing
>>to
>> >hear the answer. Ask hard questions -- of yourself, your parents, your
>> >elders, your co-congregants, and your pastor. (I have no fear at all of
>> >disagreeing with my pastor, Austin. Can you say that about yours?). Be
>> >willing to hear those answers and act on them. Ask yourself what I
>>asked
>>a
>> >young NSA'er a few months ago: If you were a pastor, would you do and
>>say
>> >and write the things Doug Wilson has over the last few years?
>> >
>> >If, as I suspect, the answer to that one is "no," then I'd ask you why
>>in
>> >the world you trust the nurture of your soul to a man whose conduct you
>> >can't possibly find admirable, can't possibly want to emulate, and can't
>> >possibly remind you of the Christ you serve.
>> >
>> >And then, if you ever want to meet with me, contact me offline. I'll
>>buy
>> >the beer.
>> >
>> >keely
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions
>> >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:50:43 -0700
>> >
>> >keely,
>> >
>> >(putting on my Metzler hat and having a go at some non-threatening
>> >question-asking)
>> >
>> >Do you think Mr. Huskey's complaint has any merit? Do you understand why
>>it
>> >seems hypocritical to Mr. Ferris?
>> >
>> >I'm guessing Mr. Ferris feels the zoning complaints were harassment. If
>>you
>> >would walk a mile in his mocassins (or however long a hundred acres
>>is...
>> >we
>> >are in the wood now, after all), what do you think your Christian
>>response
>> >would be? (for the sake of discussion, remember that you think the
>> >complaint
>> >is harrassment)
>> >
>> >Not sarcastic, but terribly, horribly amused with myself on account of
>>the
>> >Metzler hat bit,
>> >
>> >-Austin
>> >
>> >
>> >On 6/3/06, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>And what a sterling Christian witness we have here, folks.
>> >>
>> >>Wood, hay, and stubble, Doug. Wood, hay, and stubble.
>> >>
>> >>keely
>> >>
>> >>From: heirdoug at netscape.net
>> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com, DonaldH675 at aol.com
>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions
>> >>Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:15:40 -0400
>> >>
>> >>Dearest Rose,
>> >>
>> >>When you and Don finally get a place of your own and stop boarding with
>> >>your
>> >>daughter and start actually paying taxes then I think we will start
>> >>listening to your diatribe on the importance of paying one's taxes into
>> >>the
>> >>system.
>> >>
>> >>Have a good day!
>> >>
>> >>Doug!
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