[Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin

keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sun Jun 4 22:04:54 PDT 2006


But, Austin, you' ve not answered my challenge to you . . .

keely


From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:50:31 -0700

I don't have to get permission from my pastor to do things. I don't *have*
to seek input from my pastor to make decisions, but I often do (and isn't
that something pastors are for?). I also seek input from other men and women
in my church who I respect. If you knew these people you would not be able
to charge them of being brainwashed or endlessly repeating Douglas Wilson
catch-phrases.

-Austin

On 6/4/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Miss Keely;
>
>Problem with your suggestions is that Austin, like so many of the "men" in
>the kirkhood, would have to (a) get permission from Daddy Dougie; (b) seek
>his input regarding these issues; (c) get his permission to repeat his
>response; (d) spew forth the poison that Dougie likes to brainwash his
>dumblings with.
>
>In other words - won't work.  All you'd get is more of Dougie' rhetoric
>and
>we've heard that enough times to chock a horse.
>
>Good try, though.  Its just too bad there really are no "men" in kirkhood
>to
>take up the challenge and go it alone.  The one Man that did, Michael, has
>been excommunicated, shunned, driven out of business and mayhap even out
>of
>town here soon.  Truly a "christian" means of attack if there ever was -
>NOT!
>
>J  :]
>
>
>
>
> >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >To: austinstorm at gmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin
> >Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:52:22 -0700
> >
> >Austin,
> >
> >Doug Farris' little snippet of humor referred to the IBTA decision
>stemming
> >from Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund's complaint regarding tax exemption,
>not
> >from Don Huskey's complaint about boarding houses.  Big difference.  Huge
> >one, in fact.  You might want to take a step back and re-read her post.
> >Then, if you'd like some more history, I'd be happy to meet with you.
> >
> >As far as walking a mile in Doug Farris' shoes to understand the source
>of
> >his vitriol, I'll decline.  Not because I'm not an empathic person -- I'd
> >like to think I am -- but because that would indicate that the original
> >taxation complaint was a personal slam against Kirkers, Doug and yourself
> >included.  It wasn't.  It's not personal, it's legal, Austin.  Christ
> >Church has been the focus of legitimate complaints regarding taxation,
>its
> >NSA presence downtown, and illegal boarding houses throughout Moscow.  No
> >other church has because no other church offends in those ways -- even,
> >maybe especially, those Biblically conservative churches whose theology
>has
> >the same doctrinal roots as yours.  In addition, Moscow has been treated
>to
> >a smorgasbord of other activities, some illegal (gambling casinos) and
>some
> >merely offensive in their bigotry, stupidity, and arrogance (time doesn't
> >allow me to enumerate these) that Kirk elders have been linked to.  You
> >might be too young to remember that while the elders evidently were
> >disgusted by the casinos, for example, their subsequent behavior in
> >handling the mess was at least as immoral as that of the future men who
>ran
> >the thing.  And the staggering quantity and quality of bad behavior and
> >arrogant pronouncements your elders and pastor have demonstrated in the
> >public square is both mind-boggling and heart-rending to a lot of us.
> >
> >But, of course, you don't believe me.  Why would you?  The Intoleristas
> >you've been told to hold in such disdain are just a rag-tag group of
> >hellbound malcontents, right?  I mean, there couldn't be any merit to our
> >objections -- it's just personal, an objection of the saints being
> >persecuted for righteousness.
> >
> >So here's an idea, if you're mature enough in your faith to give it a
>try.
> >Why not, while still remaining kind and charitable, simply put away for a
> >time the personal elements of this situation -- set aside the cries of
> >persecution from your community and put up on a shelf your animus toward
> >mine -- and then do something truly radical:  Look at the facts.  Check
> >your Bible and see if your theology squares.  See how Doug Wilson, never
> >mind Doug Farris, matches up to the great saints of the New Testament
> >church.  Read court documents.  Read a magazine that doesn't come from
> >Canon Press.  Talk to people from outside of the church -- those who were
> >in and left and those who never have been Kirkers.  Pray, and be willing
>to
> >hear the answer.  Ask hard questions -- of yourself, your parents, your
> >elders, your co-congregants, and your pastor.  (I have no fear at all of
> >disagreeing with my pastor, Austin.  Can you say that about yours?).  Be
> >willing to hear those answers and act on them.  Ask yourself what I asked
>a
> >young NSA'er a few months ago:  If  you were a pastor, would you do and
>say
> >and write the things Doug Wilson has over the last few years?
> >
> >If, as I suspect, the answer to that one is "no," then I'd ask you why in
> >the world you trust the nurture of your soul to a man whose conduct you
> >can't possibly find admirable, can't possibly want to emulate, and can't
> >possibly remind you of the Christ you serve.
> >
> >And then, if you ever want to meet with me, contact me offline.  I'll buy
> >the beer.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions
> >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:50:43 -0700
> >
> >keely,
> >
> >(putting on my Metzler hat and having a go at some non-threatening
> >question-asking)
> >
> >Do you think Mr. Huskey's complaint has any merit? Do you understand why
>it
> >seems hypocritical to Mr. Ferris?
> >
> >I'm guessing Mr. Ferris feels the zoning complaints were harassment. If
>you
> >would walk a mile in his mocassins (or however long a hundred acres is...
> >we
> >are in the wood now, after all), what do you think your Christian
>response
> >would be? (for the sake of discussion, remember that you think the
> >complaint
> >is harrassment)
> >
> >Not sarcastic, but terribly, horribly amused with myself on account of
>the
> >Metzler hat bit,
> >
> >-Austin
> >
> >
> >On 6/3/06, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>And what a sterling Christian witness we have here, folks.
> >>
> >>Wood, hay, and stubble, Doug.  Wood, hay, and stubble.
> >>
> >>keely
> >>
> >>From: heirdoug at netscape.net
> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com, DonaldH675 at aol.com
> >>Subject: [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions
> >>Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:15:40 -0400
> >>
> >>Dearest Rose,
> >>
> >>When you and Don finally get a place of your own and stop boarding with
> >>your
> >>daughter and start actually paying taxes then I think we will start
> >>listening to your diatribe on the importance of paying one's taxes into
> >>the
> >>system.
> >>
> >>Have a good day!
> >>
> >>Doug!
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