[Vision2020] I seen it on the web!

[Tony Simpson]

Ok Nick,

Let's assume the CIA has engaged in torture in the past, for the sake of argument, although you have yet to quote from the manuals you insist exist.

Are you suggesting that such is the case now?  If you have any evidence that Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld have supported the use of the tactics you refer to, would you be so thorough as to provide dated, verbatim quotes?

Your simply insisting something is so because it's "available on the web" is inadequate.  There is a lot of BS on the web.  How can we be certain that the material you site does not fall into that category if it exists at all?

Patiently waiting for more than gratuitous assertions,  --Tony
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