[Vision2020] No victims??

[keely emerinemix]

I am not at all embarrassed to acknowledge my friendship with Warren Hayman. 
  I'm just disappointed that he neglected to mention "while listening to 
gangsta rap" in his first paragraph below.

That critical issue aside, I think I've been more than clear on my position 
on all sorts of things in general and, specific to the Biblical view of 
homosexuality, made my points Tuesday night.  I do, however, condemn the 
idea that one particular form of sexual activity discussed at rather too 
much length here over the last couple of days defines the love between any 
two people.  Certain things may or may not be physically healthful, but 
relationships tend to be infinitely more complex than the mechanics employed 
to express affection within them.

In other words, I think it would be nice if we move away from discussions of 
colonic penetrability and get back to the issue of who believes what from 
Scripture and how it plays out in interaction with the community.

Pretty please?

keely
From: Warren Hayman <whayman at adelphia.net>
To: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No victims??
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:48:58 -0700

Actually Mr. Campbell, a refinement of your conclusion of dangerous
creatures could prove the most terrifying scenario: imagine a sub-group
of armed and violent gay males between 16 and 30 driving erratically
while rabidly transfusing blood. . . Chilling.

And to all, please accept my apology for my part in continuing this
thread. Many times I am unsure of whether someone is posting or posing
on V2020. I thought Mr. Simpson's statements within this realm; hence I
responded flippantly yesterday, not realizing the gravitas of his
concern. My goal was humor, and I failed as clearly as I no doubt just
did above. I did not intend to continue the thread in whatever small
way I may have.

This is one reason I rarely post on V2020. I grant my relative
incapacity for independent thought. At the same time, I often read
postings written by people who seem to consider keyboarding a
precognitive activity, who appear to negate the distinction between
bellying and bullying up to the bar, or who perhaps lack the grace of
pausing prior to clicking the send button, etc.

This thread began, I think, from a beginning discussion of CC's
position of not homosexuality per se, but rather how to treat gays and
lesbians within a community. Specifically, the rather Socratic and
Draconian mandate of death or banishment addressed during KRFP's
discussion the other night. I would enjoy more of a reply from Mr.
Wilson et al. For that matter, I would enjoy a continuation of the
discussion. I don't know Mr. Wilson, but have consistently heard that
he is quite adept at thinking on his feet. I did not find that evident
the other night. I only barely know Ms. Mix and would not embarrass her
by calling her a friend, but found her as deeply caring as she was
intelligent and articulate. I would love to hear more, and that the
discussion be kept in better focus on the topic-- for example, the
caller questioning Christianity in general could have started and
stayed on track with the intent.

Messrs. Campbell and Simpson, I was trying to crack a funny. Sorry, and
I'm done posting. I will, as WC Williams once wrote, "bow and pass
smiling."

Warren Hayman

On Friday, July 14, 2006, at 07:22 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:

 > Tony,
 >
 > What is the point that you're trying to make with these statistics?
 > Are they intended to prove that "homosexual" behavior is harmful? If
 > so, how exactly do the statistics support that point?
 >
 > Suppose, for instance, that the remaining 21% of AIDS cases were the
 > result of blood transfusions. Would that mean that blood transfusions
 > were dangerous, or more dangerous than heterosexual sex? It would be
 > absurd to draw either conclusion.
 >
 > Clearly one can perform blood transfusions in a responsible way, with
 > little risk of the transmission of HIV. We can distinguish between
 > responsible blood transfusions and irresponsible ones, right? Thus, we
 > shouldn’t make general claims about blood transfusions based on this
 > data. So why is it different in the case of “homosexual” behavior?
 >
 > On a related note, most violent crime is committed by men between the
 > ages of 16 and 30. Likewise with traffic accidents and other social
 > ills. If we put all men in prison, many of our social problems would
 > go away. This is the kind of policy that would result if we took your
 > bogus arguments to heart! There is no more dangerous creature on earth
 > than the human male!
 >
 > --
 > Joe Campbell

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