[Vision2020] No victims??

[Warren Hayman]

Actually Mr. Campbell, a refinement of your conclusion of dangerous 
creatures could prove the most terrifying scenario: imagine a sub-group 
of armed and violent gay males between 16 and 30 driving erratically 
while rabidly transfusing blood. . . Chilling.

And to all, please accept my apology for my part in continuing this 
thread. Many times I am unsure of whether someone is posting or posing 
on V2020. I thought Mr. Simpson's statements within this realm; hence I 
responded flippantly yesterday, not realizing the gravitas of his 
concern. My goal was humor, and I failed as clearly as I no doubt just 
did above. I did not intend to continue the thread in whatever small 
way I may have.

This is one reason I rarely post on V2020. I grant my relative 
incapacity for independent thought. At the same time, I often read 
postings written by people who seem to consider keyboarding a 
precognitive activity, who appear to negate the distinction between 
bellying and bullying up to the bar, or who perhaps lack the grace of 
pausing prior to clicking the send button, etc.

This thread began, I think, from a beginning discussion of CC's 
position of not homosexuality per se, but rather how to treat gays and 
lesbians within a community. Specifically, the rather Socratic and 
Draconian mandate of death or banishment addressed during KRFP's 
discussion the other night. I would enjoy more of a reply from Mr. 
Wilson et al. For that matter, I would enjoy a continuation of the 
discussion. I don't know Mr. Wilson, but have consistently heard that 
he is quite adept at thinking on his feet. I did not find that evident 
the other night. I only barely know Ms. Mix and would not embarrass her 
by calling her a friend, but found her as deeply caring as she was 
intelligent and articulate. I would love to hear more, and that the 
discussion be kept in better focus on the topic-- for example, the 
caller questioning Christianity in general could have started and 
stayed on track with the intent.

Messrs. Campbell and Simpson, I was trying to crack a funny. Sorry, and 
I'm done posting. I will, as WC Williams once wrote, "bow and pass 
smiling."

Warren Hayman

On Friday, July 14, 2006, at 07:22 AM, Joe Campbell wrote:

> Tony,
>
> What is the point that you're trying to make with these statistics? 
> Are they intended to prove that "homosexual" behavior is harmful? If 
> so, how exactly do the statistics support that point?
>
> Suppose, for instance, that the remaining 21% of AIDS cases were the 
> result of blood transfusions. Would that mean that blood transfusions 
> were dangerous, or more dangerous than heterosexual sex? It would be 
> absurd to draw either conclusion.
>
> Clearly one can perform blood transfusions in a responsible way, with 
> little risk of the transmission of HIV. We can distinguish between 
> responsible blood transfusions and irresponsible ones, right? Thus, we 
> shouldn’t make general claims about blood transfusions based on this 
> data. So why is it different in the case of “homosexual” behavior?
>
> On a related note, most violent crime is committed by men between the 
> ages of 16 and 30. Likewise with traffic accidents and other social 
> ills. If we put all men in prison, many of our social problems would 
> go away. This is the kind of policy that would result if we took your 
> bogus arguments to heart! There is no more dangerous creature on earth 
> than the human male!
>
> --
> Joe Campbell