[Vision2020] PTSD

[James Reynolds]

Phil

I was with the Screaming Eagles myself Phil so your dad and I have that in 
common; I only had three stripes like you however. I actually heard (not in 
my experience) from a vet that the drill sergeants (2000) in his Infantry 
class had a routine where he had the recruits lie on their backs kicking 
their arms and legs in the air and yelling "I am a Bug!". The intent of this 
exercise was to degrade the soldiers, not to fill them with solid admiration 
for themselves. We can have disagreements over this till the cows come home 
but the facts are that (for the grunt) absolute deferment to command is what 
is trained and expected. Not once was I told anything good about humanity.

We agree on the need to take care of the troops when they come home, that's 
what is important.

James reynolds


>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] PTSD
>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:13:39 -0800
>
>James
>
>You are fighting a losing battle here.  Basic Training or BCT is something 
>that everybody takes, regardless of Military Occupational Specialty (MOS).  
>Following BCT, everybody in the Army goes to their branches school for 
>Advanced Individual Training (AIT), in the case of infantry to Infantry AIT 
>where they go Blue on graduation and are assigned an 11B MOS designator.  
>11B10 is for all ranks below E-5 and 11B20 comes when you get three strips. 
>  I was an 11B20.
>
>As for Rangers, that is another specialty and so is Airborne.  First you 
>have to get 11B before you head for those schools.  My father was Airborne, 
>with the 502nd of the 101st.  My brother in law and my nephew were Rangers. 
>  I was just a lowly grunt.
>
>What you said earlier was that the military took kids and made them bugs in 
>infantry training and convinced them that they were worthless.  At least 
>three vets who know the process told you that you are incorrect and that 
>the military does not dehumanize, treat like a bug or attempt to make 
>troops into people who think they are worthless.  The objective in training 
>is to make a unit and to make every person in a unit feel they are valued.  
>Only one of the three vets who commented supports the war in Iraq, but you 
>felt obligated to tell all three that we were John Wayne and to dismiss 
>what you were told by people with a little more knowledge than you have.
>
>Tom Hansen did not comment, however, he was also an infantryman and from 
>his comments you can see that he is against the War in Iraq.  You were 
>comnebting on an article posted by Hansen.  Did you ask him if he was 
>treated like a bug or made to feel that he was of no vlaue when he went 
>through AIT?
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] PTSD
>>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:43:38 -0800
>>
>>I always defer my experience to those with more experience Phil. I am just 
>>not sure that that is the case here. Have you been through advanced 
>>infantry, Ranger or Airborne trianing? As far as I noticed there wasn't 
>>any dwelling on the niceities of the human condition within that training 
>>regime.
>>
>>The nasty enterprise I think (only my own thoughts now) you are engaged in 
>>is blowing your own horn to make people think you are more than you really 
>>are.
>>
>>James Reynolds
>>
>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] PTSD
>>>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:52:13 -0800
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>Lets see how about this one that was sent to me;
>>>
>>>"Phil,
>>>
>>>You are right. I like your romanticized, John Wayne-like war much better 
>>>than reality. Thanks for steering me straight.
>>>
>>>James Reynolds"
>>>
>>>That was an insult James, pure and simple.  And the other Vet you 
>>>insulted here was Don Husky with similar John Wayne comments.
>>>
>>>Nowhere in either of our postings did we suggest that war was fun or cool 
>>>or a great thing.  We simply pointed out to you that your idea of what 
>>>happens to people who are infantry trained and who then get shot at is 
>>>warped by lack of experiance of the effects of combat on human beings.
>>>
>>>As for your parting shot of "nasty enterprise", what exactly does that 
>>>mean?  What masty enterprize do you think I am involved in?
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] PTSD
>>>>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:24:19 -0800
>>>>
>>>>Sorry if you think I insulted you Mr. Nisbet. I was just saying it like 
>>>>it is. You have a bad habit of reading into other peoples posts whatever 
>>>>suits your nasty little enterprise.
>>>>
>>>>James Reynolds
>>
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