[Vision2020] The pledge Controversy

[Donovan Arnold]

Sunil,
  
  If you want to make the argument that the Senate makes bad decisions because they say the Pledge, you go right ahead Sunil.
  
  -DJA

Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:  What are these studies?  What is the 'new environment' faced by the city 
council?

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance the Senate 
recites the pledge before each day's session.  This will explain how they 
have effectively dealt with the issues facing our nation.  Because they say 
say the pledge they have formed deeper bonds and work better.

That's why they are now funding the Iraq war as it goes on, rather than 
creating deficits.  It's why all Americans now have easy access to health 
care, and any future problems for Social Security have been solved.  Of 
course saying the pledge helped the Senate address the problems caused by an 
Executive that held itself above the law.

Think what those Senators could have done with a fight song.

Sunil


>From: Donovan Arnold 
>To: Sunil Ramalingam 
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The pledge Controversy
>Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:11:23 -0800 (PST)
>
>Sunil,
>
>   You wrote,
>
>   "Perhaps I missed your reply to my question; do you have any evidence 
>derived
>   in your studies as a political science major showing a positive 
>relationship
>   between saying the pledge and improving governance?"
>
>   No, but I will contend that countries without pride, honor, and respect 
>for their
>   legitimate authority preform poorly and those that have a pledge, 
>anthem, pride,
>   honor, and give respect to legitimate government authorities last  
>longer and provide for a better life for their citizens. Teams that  have a 
>fight song, preform
>   better, and organization that say the pledge or recite a misson 
>statement last
>   longer and are generally larger and more productive. Studies show that  
>when people do things together they form deeper bonds, work together  
>better, and
>  are more productive. Studies show that firmiliar  rituals when in a new 
>environment make people feel more included and  comfortable and more likely 
>to offer input and support to the  organization.
>
>   "Boy, there's no better way to identify free people than by their 
>compelled
>   chanting."
>
>Yes there is, banning people from formally and publicly demonstrating their 
>respect and honor for what they believe in.
>
>   _DJA
>
>
>
>
>Sunil Ramalingam  wrote:  Donovan,
>
>Perhaps I missed your reply to my question; do you have any evidence 
>derived
>in your studies as a political science major showing a positive 
>relationship
>between saying the pledge and improving governance?  I look forward to your
>answer.
>
>I had to read this twice to assure myself you actually wrote it:
>
>"The reasons it is more important to  compel people to say the Pledge then
>it is to prevent them are to  numerous to list. However, I still state that
>one of the most important  of reasons is that we remind people that this
>country is about freedom,  justice and liberty for all so that they know
>when their legislatures  and policy makers are violating the purpose for
>which this nation was  founded."
>
>Boy, there's no better way to identify free people than by their compelled
>chanting.
>
>Sunil
>
>
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: joekc at adelphia.net, Chris Storhok
> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The pledge Controversy
> >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:33:17 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >"Any council member is free to enter the chamber  BEFORE the council
> >meeting begins and say the Pledge. (I am not talking  about the 
>situation,
> >that Donovan noted, of saying the Pledge AFTER the  meeting has begun.) 
>Why
> >is this not enough? Why is it important to  compel others to follow your
> >example of patriotism, or to publicly  embarrass those who choose not to 
>do
> >it? Again, you have a hard time  convincing me that all this talk isn't
> >hooked up with some further  political agenda."
> >
> >   Joe,
> >
> >  The Pledge is meant to be  said with other people. A pledge or oath 
>taken
> >alone loses its meaning,  intention, value, and overall effect. The 
>pledge
> >is a social function,  not an independent function. It is a simple action
> >taken to show  respect for the country and to acknowledge its authority 
>as
> >the  legitimate one for this community.  If others are embarrassed for  
>not
> >showing respect to those that give them their freedom and wealth,  maybe
> >they ought to be.
> >
> >  The reasons it is more important to  compel people to say the Pledge 
>then
> >it is to prevent them are to  numerous to list. However, I still state 
>that
> >one of the most important  of reasons is that we remind people that this
> >country is about freedom,  justice and liberty for all so that they know
> >when their legislatures  and policy makers are violating the purpose for
> >which this nation was  founded.
> >
> >   Take Care,
> >
> >   _DJA
> >
>
>
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