[Vision2020] Safer Crossings
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 27 22:08:04 PST 2006
Thank you for your suggestions and information, Mr. Curley.
I would like to add the question of a pedestrian bridge that would cross
over the highway from the UI to Tri-State area. Right now, there is some
kinda funky folding sign in the middle of the street - any bets on how long
it'll last before someone road-kills it?
I'm not sure what that street coming off of the UI is across from Tri-State,
but a lot of kids seem to cross there at all times, including late at night
when people may not be as alert as they should be.
The problem at D/Mt. View is serious and there will be an accident sooner or
later. I don't understand why there are no crossing guards there. I
remember when we first moved here, 15 years ago, there was some kind of
four-way stop light - what happened to that? Is there some way that can be
returned? When the kids from MJHS are excused from school for the day and
cross over to Egan, it is like playing ping-pong, zig-zagging between cars,
kids, busses and workers at the Jr. High. To their very good credit, the
staff tries desperately to keep the kids hurded to the crossing that is
about 200-300 feet back from the D/Mt. View crossing. But I am sure we all
know just how well that goes - a kid wants to go somewhere, they're gonna go
no matter who says what. But if the traffic could be slowed down, the
potential for problems may be reducable. My main issue at that
intersection is the small children coming from McDonalds. I really think we
need an adult and possibly to engage the teens in helping get the wee ones
across that street. Maybe we could start a safety guard program like we had
in the 50's/60's? I think getting a 4-way on D/Mt. View would help with
F/Mt. View - it would slow the traffic down so the people trying to get to
the pool would have an easier time of it.
And what about a bike lane on Mt. View? I swear that street is just getting
set up for another tragic accident - it really is only a matter of time.
On third street, that meets with Home (I think) right past West Park...when
the traffic is heavy like in the AM or right after work, getting out of that
back street is almost impossible. Not to mention the streets above that -
Almon, Asbury and the like.
Just some ideas.
J :]
>From: "Michael Curley" <curley at turbonet.com>
>Reply-To: curley at turbonet.com
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Safer Crossings
>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:26:50 -0800
>
>J, Tom, Tom, Matt, Donovan, and all:
>
>Traffic signal placement on both Highway 8 (east side and west side
>of town) and on Hwy. 95 are controlled by the Idaho Transportation
>Dept, not the City of Moscow. Rather than traffic control Hwy 8 at
>Mt. View, the intersection was rerouted to make the sight distance
>meet requirements that now allow southbound Mt. View to enter Hwy 8.
>That eliminated the short 1-way from 8 to White Ave.
>
>All three locations are dangerous. The presentation (mentioned at
>the beginning of this thread) at the last Council meeting showed some
>options for safer pedestrian crossings (automatic lighting built into
>the roadway was part) on 3rd/Hwy 8 near Ambassador Auto where
>eastbound traffic funnels from 2 to 1 lane as well as at Mt. View and
>D. After discussion, I believe Council asked staff to look into
>adding the crossing near Tri-State to the grant request.
>Nevertheless, even if the safety is upgraded, I often see pedestrians
>pay attention to traffic from one direction only, cars in the right
>travel lane passing cars that are stopped in the left travel lane--
>"oh, see they were stopped for pedestrians, good thing we just missed
>them..." and bicyclists also in danger in some fashion.
>
>There is probably no simple answer, but UI, the City, and County
>might well join in some pedestrian/driver awareness (and
>enforcement?) efforts before we lose someone.
>
>Having just watched the video, Tom H. can correct me if I miss, but I
>believe the cost quoted to add a traffic light at Mt. View and D was
>in the neighborhood of $150,000. Council discussed requested further
>information about adding stop signs rather than (or in addition to)
>just the crosswalk upgrade.
>
>Mike
>
>
>Date sent: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:46:11 -0800 (PST)
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: D Street and Mountain View (Was: The
> pledgeControversy/more
>To: Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, the_ivies3 at yahoo.com,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>Copies to:
>"How about a light on the Moscow/Pullman highway by Tri- State. Its
>only a
>matter of time before one of the college kids gets smacked."
>
>A huge second on that one.
>
>And somebody, PLEASE fill in that pothole on the corner of White and
>the Troy Highway. As you make a right onto the Highway you hit it. It
>is not just a a hole, your entire tire goes into it.
>
>_DJA.
>
>Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> How about a light on the Moscow/Pullman highway by Tri- State. Its
> only a
> matter of time before one of the college kids gets smacked.
>
> >From: Tom Ivie
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: D Street and Mountain View (Was: The
> >pledgeControversy/more pressing concerns)
> >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006! 15:42:17 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > That's a good one to start with. What are the reasons it is a good
> >idea? pedestrian traffic trying to cross? Vehicles trying to cross?
> Both?
> > Is there a bicycle lane on Styner? Should there be if there isn't?
> Are
> >there any reasons that a light there would be a bad idea? Doesn't it
> slope
> >down the south side of that intersection? Would that be any kind of
> reason
> >that it wouldn't work?
> >
> >joekc at adelphia.net wrote: What about a light on Styner and Rt. 8?
> >--
> >Joe Campbell
> >
> >---- Tom Ivie wrote:
> >
> >=============
> >What about other intersections in Moscow that could use stop signs?
> Any
> >ideas? I have a couple on my short list but I'll admit I don't
> regularly
> >hit every street in Moscow.
> >
> >My short list includes making Blaine & Third as well as Blaine and
> 1st
> >four-way stops (currently they are two-way not s! topping traffic on
> Blaine.
> >I think this would help with traffic/safety issues at Lena
> Elementary. I
> >think Hayes and Third could probably be made into a four-way stop as
> well.
> >I have heard it suggested that 6th and Mt. View could be a viable
> place for
> >a four-way stop as well as Mt. View and White. Any thoughts or ideas
> on
> >these? What about a three-way stop at D and Eisenhower by McDonald
> >elementary? Another suggestion I have heard on v2020 in the past was
> a
> >three-way stop at Hayes and 6th. I am sure there are others that you
> people
> >can come up with and I would like to hear them. -Tom
> >
> >Tom Hansen wrote:
> >v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
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> >st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thank you, Mr. Ivie.
> >
> >Although, I am familiar with the council’s discussion concerning the
> >intersection of D Street and Mountain View (after having watched the
> >session on television), I feel that my input would not add credence
> to
> >either side of the argument. My many ventures in the past few years
> have
> >placed me in its vicinity maybe two or three times.
> >
> >However, I would be interested in “listening in” to the discussion
> as it
> >evolves here on V2020.
> >
> >How about it, Moscow? Let’s pass the soap box to some people with
> knowledge
> >concerning this issue.
> >
> >Thanks again, Mr. Ivie, for clearing the air.
> >
> >Tom “going stealth” Hansen
> >Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving
> >safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid
> in
> >sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> thoroughly used
> >up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-
> bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of Tom Ivie
> >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:51 PM
> >To: J Ford; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The pledge Controversy/more pressing
> concerns
> >
> >
> >I think J hit the nail square on the head with this one. There ARE
> more
> >pressing things going on in Moscow. The Council and Mayor do a heck
> of a
> >lot more than just recite pledges and most of it we never hear
> about. The D
> >and Mt. View issue is an excellent case in point. That insightful
> >discussion by City Council at the previous Council meeting has led
> to that
> >intersection being added to the agenda for the Public Works Finance
> >Committee. Something proactive and possitive will likely come from
> it,
> >which is more than I can say about this pledge discussion. -Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
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