[Vision2020] It is time. It is beyond time.

[Bruce and Jean Livingston]

Florida is not the issue or the point of Mr. Coombs comment, Pat.  Using the official vote totals, which show Bush defeating Gore in Florida by 537 votes, 2,912,790 to 2,912,253, Bush lost the popular vote in this country by a vote of 50,456,002 (Bush) to 50,999,897.  Nationally, the popular vote margin favored Gore by more than a half million votes, with Bush getting 47.87% to Gore's 48.38% and Nader's 2.74%.  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

Of course, Bush reversed that extremely close loss in the popular vote in 2000 with a popular vote win by a much wider margin against John Kerry in 2004.  Bush received 62,028,285 votes to Kerry's 59,028,109.

Of course, the electoral college determines the outcome in our presidential elections.  As we all know, the official election totals in the popular vote determine the electors from each state, and Bush won the electoral college vote twice, with the 2000 election in the electoral college turning on Florida and the 2004 election determined by Ohio.

But I think Mr. Coombs was addressing your dismissal of Gore as almost an irrelevancy, simply by noting that Gore got more votes nationally than Bush.  I was just noting the totals, because I had forgotten just how close that election was.  537 votes to determine who won in Florida.  Wow.

Bruce Livingston

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It is time. It is beyond time.


| Which count do you want to use?? The one with all the hanging chads? Or the
| one with only some of them?? I won't respond to anymore of these but watch
| the video this many years down the road and see if you don't see new
| hypocrisy in Florida guessing about people and their votes. Anyway you want
| to look at it Gore lost.
| 
| 
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "Don Coombs" <mushroom at moscow.com>
| To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
| Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
| Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:26 PM
| Subject: Re: [Vision2020] It is time. It is beyond time.
| 
| 
|  Pat Kraut wrote:
| > GORE!! You think that what Gore has to say changes my mind about
| anything!!
| > You cannot be serious! He didn't win and there are so many reasons for it
| I
| > hardly know where to start. I do hope you run him again or Kerry or
| Dean..it
| > would be too easy!!
| 
| Are you keeping in mind, or are you even aware, that
| Gore got more votes than Bush?
| 
| Don Coombs
| 
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