[Vision2020] Doug Jones Says It Clearly

[joekc at adelphia.net]

Dear Mr. Crabree,

How is it that those who want no Super Wal-Mart are restricting choices – “seem intent on minding other folks business,” as you say – when we already HAVE a Wal-Mart yet a Super Wal-Mart will actually drive away businesses to which many of us CHOOSE to go? 

I really wish you would stop characterizing all of those who are against NSA being downtown and a Super Wal-Mart coming into town as being against choice and trying to inflict their will on others.

I am for long-term planning, not short term decision making based on cost and convenience. I am for deciding whether or not a school should be in the downtown area before it gets there, and for thinking clearly about whether a Super Wal-Mart will ruin the town I love before it happens. Maybe I’m wrong that Moscow is worse with a college downtown or that I will be worse off with a Super Wal-Mart 1/2 mile from my house. I can live with knowing this. I just want to be part of the process before it takes place and to have some say in how Moscow develops. But I want you to be part of that process too, Mr. Crabtree. I’m not against the democratic process. I am simply for recognizing and sticking to a comprehensive plan for the development of the city. I am for locating debate on the comprehensive plan in public settings that occur before any change is implemented, as opposed to deciding what to do after the fact. I am against backroom dealings that benefit a few at the expense of others.

One more question: How can you say in one breath that “women shouldn't be soldiers” yet in another say you “tire of people who seem intent on minding other folks business” – and not notice the conflict between these two claims?

Best, Joe

---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: 
> Greetings, Metzler. I think that you are still playing tether ball. It would seem from the previous posts that you have sent me that I spend a lot of time making you scratch your noggin and wonder about my motives. I am really not sure what to say to clear things up for you. I have no hidden agenda and aside from some sarcasm, mean exactly what I say. I am a non kirker who thinks that women shouldn't be soldiers. I don't give a damn about homosexuality as long as they don't demand special privilege for it. I haven't got a clue about Jesus' plan or what God's judging criteria will be. I do know that I tire of people who seem intent on minding other folks business, whether it be trailer courts, schools downtown, or Wal-Mart. As to the social categories comment, I have to admit that I am confused and don't know what you mean. Perhaps a plainly put question would help, assuming that I didn't blunder into the answer with this message.
> 
> All the best,
> gc
>   From: Michael 
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:29 PM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Doug Jones Says It Clearly
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>   gc,
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>   Hi crabtree.  Just a quick note: I'm not sure I'm getting you.  I'm a kirker who thinks women shouldn't be soldiers, that homosexuality is contrary to the creational (and new creation) design plan of God, and that any liberal agnostic who doesn't have Jesus is going to be judged by God.  I think you might be confusing social categories a little bit. Or am I entirely off base here?
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>   Take care,
> 
>   Michael Metzler
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> 
>   That would be great! How about it Ms. W? We could all draw ourselves up into a big cyber-circle and you could regale us with a tale of how Christ Church and the big bad Doug "dun u rong." Its been simply days and days since we heard some variation on that story. I would hate to forget why it is that their license to breathe our good "progressive" air should be revoked.
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>   gc
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>   From: Michael 
> 
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:24 PM
> 
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Doug Jones Says It Clearly
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>   Gabe,
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>   Wow; I wonder what could have happened then.  After all of your love, what would have driven her away?  Have you asked her that?  If her reasons don't seem sufficient to you, are they meaningless?
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>   Michael Metzler
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---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote: 
> Greetings, Metzler. I think that you are still playing tether ball. It would seem from the previous posts that you have sent me that I spend a lot of time making you scratch your noggin and wonder about my motives. I am really not sure what to say to clear things up for you. I have no hidden agenda and aside from some sarcasm, mean exactly what I say. I am a non kirker who thinks that women shouldn't be soldiers. I don't give a damn about homosexuality as long as they don't demand special privilege for it. I haven't got a clue about Jesus' plan or what God's judging criteria will be. I do know that I tire of people who seem intent on minding other folks business, whether it be trailer courts, schools downtown, or Wal-Mart. As to the social categories comment, I have to admit that I am confused and don't know what you mean. Perhaps a plainly put question would help, assuming that I didn't blunder into the answer with this message.
> 
> All the best,
> gc
>   From: Michael 
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:29 PM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Doug Jones Says It Clearly
> 
> 
>   gc,
> 
>    
> 
>   Hi crabtree.  Just a quick note: I'm not sure I'm getting you.  I'm a kirker who thinks women shouldn't be soldiers, that homosexuality is contrary to the creational (and new creation) design plan of God, and that any liberal agnostic who doesn't have Jesus is going to be judged by God.  I think you might be confusing social categories a little bit. Or am I entirely off base here?
> 
>    
> 
>   Take care,
> 
>   Michael Metzler
> 
>    
> 
>   That would be great! How about it Ms. W? We could all draw ourselves up into a big cyber-circle and you could regale us with a tale of how Christ Church and the big bad Doug "dun u rong." Its been simply days and days since we heard some variation on that story. I would hate to forget why it is that their license to breathe our good "progressive" air should be revoked.
> 
>    
> 
>   gc
> 
>    
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>   From: Michael 
> 
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:24 PM
> 
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Doug Jones Says It Clearly
> 
>    
> 
>   Gabe,
> 
>    
> 
>   Wow; I wonder what could have happened then.  After all of your love, what would have driven her away?  Have you asked her that?  If her reasons don't seem sufficient to you, are they meaningless?
> 
>    
> 
>   Michael Metzler
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>   _____________________________________________________
>    List services made available by First Step Internet, 
>    serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
>                  http://www.fsr.net                       
>             mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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