[Vision2020] A Woman's Right to Choose (where she shops)
Hangsinthe Balance
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 18 22:09:16 PST 2006
Andreas
I am not sure that control of ones body is a complete right in all
circumstances either. Society makes rules with respect to perfectly logical
functions like expectoration and defecation, the right to sell ones own
organs or the right to sell the services of ones own body. If the right to
privacy in the actions one takes with respect to ones body was an absolute,
the act of prostitution could not be found to be illegal, since after all,
the body parts of the two individuals involved in such an act are definitely
parts belonging to the two people contracting in privacy to use something
that definitely does not belong to the state.
I have often found it strange that there is an assumed universal right to
privacy with respect to an abortion, but no such right exists for people
involved in victimless crimes. We now have the right to kill ourselves if
we are of sound mind, but if the same person of sound mind decides to ingest
certain substances, they can and will be jailed for long periods of time.
The substance used for the act of suicide can indeed be the same substance
that in the non-lethal situation would place the person in jail.
Similarly, if a man takes a woman to dinner, a show, gives her flowers and a
gift of jewels and ends up in bed with her, there is a supposed right of
privacy in the transaction. But if the same two people exchange far less
cash and hop into bed, they are doing so criminally and their right to
privacy ceases to exist, including a right of the government to film them in
the act in Technicolor with Dolby sound for effect.
Perhaps it is best said, as did the Immortal Bard, the law is an ass. The
only thing consistent in the privacy issue is its very inconsistency.
Phil Nisbet
>From: Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com>
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Woman's Right to Choose (where she shops)
>Hangsinthe Balance
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:28:01 -0800
>
>The right to an abortion is not the right to terminate another human life.
>There exists no right to terminate another human life; otherwise, the right
>to abortion would extend to infanticide and murder. It does not.
>
>The right that exists in an abortion is the right to control the processes
>of your own body. Society has no right to dictate whether or not you are
>pregnant. It has no right to dictate whether you receive life-saving
>treatment if you don't want it. And, as the Supreme Court affirmed
>yesterday, it has no right to control whether or not you die, if that
>decision is being made from rational deliberation and not under the
>compulsion of mental illness.
>
>You do not have the right to purchase whatever you like. If such a right
>existed, I would be driving to work in my gold-plated jet-powered Rolls
>Royce, when I felt like it. This is because resources are scarce; rights
>are
>not. The scarce resource to be allocated in this case -- which, I might
>add,
>we have the <i>right</i> to allocate in a democracy -- is Moscow's retail
>business. Should we really allocate every last dollar of Moscow's retail
>business to a business, simply because it can afford to eat ten years of
>zero profits and no other business in town can?
>
>I really don't know why I'm doing this again, Donovan. It must be some
>infinite optimism about the basic reasonability of mankind. I've got to say
>though: you've put a pretty big dent in infinity..
>
>-- ACS
>
>On 1/18/06, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > No where in any of my posting did I state I was for illegalizing
>abortion
> > Hansen nor did I make any correction. Pretty sad I have to post it TWICE
>or
> > three times and you still do not comprehend.
> >
> > Now you know why I have to post three or four time. You cannot read or
> > comprehend arguments that are beyond the basic cookie cutter arguments
>where
> > you are told how to think and respond with a set of preset responses.
> >
> > Again, why is it that a women's choice to terminate the life of a
> > developing human MORE PARAMOUNT then her right to buy, sell, and trade
> > property with whom she wishes for essential goods that impact her
>quality of
> > life?
> >
> > How can one make one argument with the other?
> >
> > Are you only for women making a freedom of choice providing it is a
>choice
> > you agree with?
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> > *Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>* wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Arnold.
> >
> > However, I posted prior to your second (or was it third?) correction.
> >
> > You really must get out more, Arnold.
> >
> > Enough said.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> > arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
>skid
> > in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
>thoroughly
> > used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:03 PM
> > *To:* Tom Hansen; 'Nick Gier'; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > *Subject:* RE: [Vision2020] A Woman's Right to Choose (where she shops)
> > Hangs inthe Balance
> >
> > Hansen,
> >
> > Do you read what the other person writes before responding? Seriously.
> >
> > You wrote:
> > "Simply eliminating legal abortions will not eliminate abortions
> > altogether, Arnold."
> >
> > My argument, if you actually read it, you would have discovered that I
> > stated I OPPOSED illegalizing abortion.
> >
> > It is you that wish to impose your preferences and beliefs on other
> > people, just like the religious right, you just have a different set of
> > preferences and beliefs that you wish to impose on me.
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
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