[Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law &FreewheelingCapitalism)

[Carl Westberg]

You've just sent me on a trip down Moscow Memory Lane.  Anyone else remember 
Fountain's Grocery on north Main, Rollefson's grocery on Third Street, the 
Sanitary Market, IGA when it was at the recent Co-op, the days when the 
Moscow Bakery and Hunter's Candy sat side by side on Third Street.  Carter's 
Drug?  The Parisian?  Fonks?  Thrifty Five and Dime?  Ward Hardware?  The 
Varsity restaurant?  Roger's Ice Cream?  I believe I'm going to get misty.   
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                              Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>,        "Area Man (Dan C)" 
><areaman at moscow.com>
>CC: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law 
>&FreewheelingCapitalism)
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:58:13 -0800
>
>Mr. Moffett, It's not how long you have been here,but how early in you life 
>you got here. If you moved to Moscow before you were 5 years old your an 
>"old timer." Everyone else is a jonney come lately. Growing up in a place 
>gives a person a certain perspective. When you have seen the big, bad 
>Safeway store move to town and displace the various ma & pa markets that 
>were the order of the day back then, you will have a reference point for 
>development in Moscow.
>
>g.crabtree
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ted Moffett
>   To: Area Man (Dan C)
>   Cc: vision2020
>   Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:39 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law & 
>FreewheelingCapitalism)
>
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>
>   Dan et. al.
>
>   How long does someone need to live in Moscow or the Palouse to be 
>considered an "old timer," in your opinion?  I guess you think 20 years is 
>not enough?  Then is it 30, 40, 50 years?
>
>   Do you really think the "transplants" are chasing the "old timers" out 
>of town?  That's a strong statement.  I think some accurate facts are 
>needed to back that up.  I don't think many "transplants" would like this 
>view of their impact.
>
>   It would be interesting to attempt to survey the "transplants" to really 
>find out if they think development in the Moscow area is too much or OK.  I 
>know people who are new to the area who think that those who complain about 
>the increase in traffic, etc. to be laughable, when they compare Moscow to 
>Boston, etc. It's a relative issue, I guess.  I can compare Moscow's 
>current traffic to 1965 when I first walked the streets of this "little" 
>town, and I personally don't like the increase in traffic, among other 
>changes growth is bringing.
>
>   I like to joke with a friend of mine in Boise that I am going to move to 
>Boise to escape all the traffic up here!  But really I am not totally 
>joking.  I expect traffic and big development in Boise, but I have no 
>reference point for how Boise was 50 years ago, or not a very personal 
>heartfelt reference point.  But I do have such a reference point for 
>Moscow.
>
>   "All Things Must Pass," as the late great George Harrison sang on his 
>double solo album of the same title.
>
>   Ted Moffett
>
>   On 1/9/06, Area Man (Dan C) <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:
>     Ted said:
>     "The growth in population will fuel an increasing mentality that does
>     not even know about or care about what is being lost, when people with
>     money move to the Palouse from much bigger uglier cities, who will 
>think
>     that the older locals who complain about too much unmanaged or ugly
>     development compromising the quality of life, are so quaint."
>
>     I have found that a lot of people who are most vocal against 
>"unmanaged
>     or ugly development compromising the quality of life" are not older
>     locals, but transplants.  Yes, there are some  who are vocal that have
>     been here their entire lives, but most have not.  I'm not saying that
>     unmanaged development is good, I'm just expressing my opinion about 
>who
>     is most vocal about it (or anything else, for that matter).  Part of
>     that reason is that the transplants are so vocal and good at making
>     changes that it is chasing the old timers out of town.
>
>     Moving to town 20 years ago doesn't make you an old timer.  Definitely
>     not an old timer like that ol' fart John Weber.
>
>     DC
>
>     P.S.  I like John, it's just been a few months since the campaign, and
>     he probably misses me poking fun at him.  Although, since he is a
>     technophobe, he won't see this anyway.
>
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