[Vision2020] Come tonight (was: I do not care about the economy)

[Matt Decker]

Joe,

For those of us who can't make it, is there anywhere we can go to see what 
was said. Ie recordings, notes, or just plain sites?

Thanks
Matt D


>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Come tonight (was: I do not care about the 
>economy)
>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:34:28 -0500
>
>Donovan and others:
>
>Come to the MCA General meeting tonight -- 7 pm at the 1912 Building -- and 
>I promise you'll hear better arguments and responses than these!
>
>For one thing, none of the liberals are from Berkeley!
>
>(Sorry, Donovan, I could not resist the opportunity to promote the event!)
>
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I am still waiting to hear any legitimate complaints against Wal-Mart. 
>Everything I have heard is either;
> >
> >   1) Applicable to all other major chains in the country
> >
> >   2) Coming from a biased source, such as a liberal from Berkeley, or a 
>Union Organization.
> >
> >   3) Flat out untrue
> >
> >
> >   Complaint:  "Wal Mart hurts the economy."
> >
> >    Response: " While an oil spill or natural disaster helps it."
> >
> >   Complaint: "Wal-Mart eliminates jobs."
> >
> >   Response "Wal-Mart eliminates unnecessary jobs."
> >
> >   Complaint: "Wal-Mart eliminates high paying jobs and replaces them 
>with low paying jobs."
> >
> >   Response: "Wal-Mart replaces Kmart jobs with Wal-Mart Jobs that pay 
>the same."
> >
> >   Complaint "Wal-Mart uses overseas labor."
> >
> >   Response: "Every one uses overseas labor."
> >
> >   Complaint: "Wal-Mart pays its overseas labors $70 a month."
> >
> >   Response: "$70 a month is more than what the teacher or police officer 
>makes."
> >
> >
> >   Wal-Mart eliminates high paying jobs in exchange for lower prices on  
>daily living items like food, toiletries, paper towels, medications,  
>automobile goods, and clothing.
> >
> >  As someone that makes $20K  a year and am getting soaked with high rent 
>because of property taxes,  an unfair regressive sales tax on the 
>dollar-even on groceries, and  minimum wage has not gone up in 9 years, I 
>do not care if we eliminate  a few $80K a year jobs if it keeps prices 
>lower for the rest of us. I  have no sympathy for those that lose a job 
>making $80K a year. I care  about the poorer people that are living on 20K 
>a year of less. Moscow  has done nothing for the poor in our community. It 
>costs more to rent  an apartment in Moscow then a house in Boise. That is 
>insane, and  highly unfair. Wal-mart, ShopKo, CostCo, and other mega chains 
>reduces  the overall cost of living for the poor. To me, this is a good 
>thing. I  think saving money, pinching pennies, and buying as cheaply and 
>as cost  effectively as possible is the responsible way to handle personal  
>finances.
> >
> >  When Idaho and Moscow does not raise wages, does  not provide property 
>tax relief for the low income, pushes for a 20%  sales tax increase on 
>food, clothing, and other items needed for daily  living, it is no friend 
>of the poor, or hard working men and women on  the lower end of the 
>economic end of this community or those dependent  upon Social Security. 
>Moscow has to let Wal-Mart in because the  community has created such a 
>need for a low discount store when it has  assaulted their quality of life 
>and ignored their needs for such a long  time.
> >
> >  A head of household living in Moscow of a three  person household would 
>have to work 400 hours a month in order to rent  a two bedroom apartment, 
>at only 30% of their income before taxes at  the current minimum wage.
> >
> >   $5.15 (minimum wage) x 400 = 2060x .30 (affordable housing) = $618 a 
>month (rent)
> >
> >   Now, unless you believe it is reasonable to work 400 hours a month, I  
>do not see how anyone can ask someone to forgo shopping at the cheapest  
>possible place or deny them that right.
> >
> >  I do not care about  the economy. I care about the quality of life for 
>the people on the  bottom of the economic scale. I care that people on the 
>bottom are not  required to expend 100% of their income on the basics of 
>life and still  go without some others. It is not fair. Moscow has been no 
>friend of  the poor and disadvantaged.
> >
> >   -DJA
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