[Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?

[Janesta Carcich]

Ignore,

this was supposed to be saved as a draft. I am OFF the
computer for a few days. *sheesh*

JC

--- Janesta Carcich <janestacarcich at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I go shopping, I find a parking spot. It may not be
> a
> space within 15 feet of the business I am going to,
> but I find one nonetheless. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
> > "Has anyone considered that if a very successful
> > business moved into the NSA building the parking
> > problems might be worse?"
> > Yes, Yes I have and while I might find it amusing
> in
> > a warped sort of way it won't make for any sort of
> > peace and I do want some peace on the subject. I'm
> > tellin ya the 1912 building needs to come down.  
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Ted Moffett 
> >   To: thansen at moscow.com ; pkraut at moscow.com ;
> > deco at moscow.com 
> >   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> >   Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:42 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For
> > Pro-Business CBD Stance?
> > 
> > 
> >   Tom et. al.
> > 
> >   When I wrote that those who seek to allow NSA to
> > remain in the CBD represent a "liberal agenda," I
> > meant that they appear to oppose the "intent" of
> > what the CBD is about, that is, good old fashioned
> > free market profit making (and tax paying)
> > capitalism, with the possible motivation to allow
> a
> > religious institution a pass because many have a
> > soft spot for fellow believers, thus displaying a
> > "religious oriented liberal agenda" that shows
> favor
> > for promoting religion over capitalism in the CBD.
>  
> > 
> >   Of course, some argue NSA provides a service,
> > education, purchased with dollars that fuel the
> > economics of the CBD.  But NSA is not open to the
> > public to use their "services," and the tax
> > exemptions present another problem, though there
> are
> > other tax exempt non-profits in the CBD, as well
> as
> > private organizations that limit public use.  
> > 
> >   This whole issue is far more complicated and
> > thorny than many wish to admit, though I think the
> > zoning regs. for the CBD are clear that
> > non-commercial higher educational institutions are
> > not a permissible use, and there are legitimate
> > concerns that NSA flaunted these regs. 
> > 
> >   The current and potential size of NSA, given a
> tax
> > exempt status, is certainly cause for concern,
> along
> > with the parking problems, as has been stated
> > repeatedly.  Some cities in the USA have set
> limits
> > on the number of tax exempt institutions that can
> > occupy certain business districts because of the
> > erosion of the tax base, and also mandate that tax
> > exempt religious institutions must provide their
> own
> > parking.  NSA does not own any property near NSA
> > where they provide much parking, as we know,
> unless
> > Anselm House has a few spots.  
> > 
> >   Pat Kraut says the parking problems will remain
> no
> > matter what business is occupying NSA's building. 
> > True, but if the NSA building was occupied by a
> > profit making tax paying business offering goods
> or
> > services open to all the public, the tax base
> would
> > not be eroding, and the whole community could
> > potentially have access.  
> > 
> >   Has anyone considered that if a very successful
> > business moved into the NSA building the parking
> > problems might be worse?  No one thinks NSA moving
> > will solve Moscow's downtown parking problems. 
> The
> > issue is those associated with NSA who park and
> take
> > away customers from other profit oriented
> businesses
> > in the CBD struggling to survive and pay those
> > darned taxes.  
> > 
> >   It's no big secret why malls and Wal-Mart, etc.
> > have huge parking lots that seem like overkill. 
> If
> > someone can't park close to their shopping
> > destination, they will go elsewhere.  How much
> > business is lost in the CBD because potential
> > customers have almost guaranteed convenient
> parking
> > at the Moscow Mall, Eastside, or Wal-Mart?  I wish
> > there more people willing to walk or bike, but
> these
> > options would require a sea change in city
> planning
> > and public thinking and feeling to become
> realistic
> > options. 
> > 
> >   Here are a few interesting articles that relate
> to
> > government regulation of religious institutions
> that
> > reveals how complex and varied these legal
> problems
> > are, and offer some legal insights into what we
> may
> > see in court if the NSA case ends up in a legal
> > battle: 
> > 
> >  
> >
>
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=15633
> > 
> >  
> >
>
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/establishment/topic.aspx?topic=tax_exemptions
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >
>
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15646
> > 
> >   Ted Moffett
> >    
> >   On 1/6/06, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> wrote: 
> >     I tend to agree on the most part, Mr. Moffett.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     For as long as I can remember, conservatives
> > have fought against government influence in our
> > private lives. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     Ironic, isn't it?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     Tom Hansen
> > 
> >     Moscow , Idaho
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave
> with
> > the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
> > and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
> > sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the
> > other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out
> and
> > screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'" 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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> > 
> >     From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Ted Moffett
> >     Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:48 AM
> >     To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >     Subject: [Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For
> > Pro-Business CBD Stance?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     All:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     I find it odd in the extreme that the decision
> > to maintain the debate about the business focus of
> 
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Janesta Carcich

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