[Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?

[Pat Kraut]

And thats whats wrong with Howard St. I also don't have much trouble parking
downtown but I am mostly in the Goodwill store or eating. Has anyone ever
checked out the amount of restaurants are downtown and how long it takes
people to eat? Maybe thats where our parking goes!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janesta Carcich" <janestacarcich at yahoo.com>
To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>; "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?


I go shopping, I find a parking spot. It may not be a
space within 15 feet of the business I am going to,
but I find one nonetheless.





--- Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:

> "Has anyone considered that if a very successful
> business moved into the NSA building the parking
> problems might be worse?"
> Yes, Yes I have and while I might find it amusing in
> a warped sort of way it won't make for any sort of
> peace and I do want some peace on the subject. I'm
> tellin ya the 1912 building needs to come down.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Ted Moffett
>   To: thansen at moscow.com ; pkraut at moscow.com ;
> deco at moscow.com
>   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For
> Pro-Business CBD Stance?
>
>
>   Tom et. al.
>
>   When I wrote that those who seek to allow NSA to
> remain in the CBD represent a "liberal agenda," I
> meant that they appear to oppose the "intent" of
> what the CBD is about, that is, good old fashioned
> free market profit making (and tax paying)
> capitalism, with the possible motivation to allow a
> religious institution a pass because many have a
> soft spot for fellow believers, thus displaying a
> "religious oriented liberal agenda" that shows favor
> for promoting religion over capitalism in the CBD.
>
>   Of course, some argue NSA provides a service,
> education, purchased with dollars that fuel the
> economics of the CBD.  But NSA is not open to the
> public to use their "services," and the tax
> exemptions present another problem, though there are
> other tax exempt non-profits in the CBD, as well as
> private organizations that limit public use.
>
>   This whole issue is far more complicated and
> thorny than many wish to admit, though I think the
> zoning regs. for the CBD are clear that
> non-commercial higher educational institutions are
> not a permissible use, and there are legitimate
> concerns that NSA flaunted these regs.
>
>   The current and potential size of NSA, given a tax
> exempt status, is certainly cause for concern, along
> with the parking problems, as has been stated
> repeatedly.  Some cities in the USA have set limits
> on the number of tax exempt institutions that can
> occupy certain business districts because of the
> erosion of the tax base, and also mandate that tax
> exempt religious institutions must provide their own
> parking.  NSA does not own any property near NSA
> where they provide much parking, as we know, unless
> Anselm House has a few spots.
>
>   Pat Kraut says the parking problems will remain no
> matter what business is occupying NSA's building.
> True, but if the NSA building was occupied by a
> profit making tax paying business offering goods or
> services open to all the public, the tax base would
> not be eroding, and the whole community could
> potentially have access.
>
>   Has anyone considered that if a very successful
> business moved into the NSA building the parking
> problems might be worse?  No one thinks NSA moving
> will solve Moscow's downtown parking problems.  The
> issue is those associated with NSA who park and take
> away customers from other profit oriented businesses
> in the CBD struggling to survive and pay those
> darned taxes.
>
>   It's no big secret why malls and Wal-Mart, etc.
> have huge parking lots that seem like overkill.  If
> someone can't park close to their shopping
> destination, they will go elsewhere.  How much
> business is lost in the CBD because potential
> customers have almost guaranteed convenient parking
> at the Moscow Mall, Eastside, or Wal-Mart?  I wish
> there more people willing to walk or bike, but these
> options would require a sea change in city planning
> and public thinking and feeling to become realistic
> options.
>
>   Here are a few interesting articles that relate to
> government regulation of religious institutions that
> reveals how complex and varied these legal problems
> are, and offer some legal insights into what we may
> see in court if the NSA case ends up in a legal
> battle:
>
>
>
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=15633
>
>
>
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/establishment/topic.aspx?topic=tax_exemptions
>
>
>
>
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15646
>
>   Ted Moffett
>
>   On 1/6/06, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>     I tend to agree on the most part, Mr. Moffett.
>
>
>
>     For as long as I can remember, conservatives
> have fought against government influence in our
> private lives.
>
>
>
>     Ironic, isn't it?
>
>
>
>     Tom Hansen
>
>     Moscow , Idaho
>
>
>
>     "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with
> the intention of arriving safely in an attractive
> and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
> sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the
> other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and
> screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>     From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of
> Ted Moffett
>     Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:48 AM
>     To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>     Subject: [Vision2020] "Liberals" Slammed For
> Pro-Business CBD Stance?
>
>
>
>
>
>     All:
>
>
>
>     I find it odd in the extreme that the decision
> to maintain the debate about the business focus of
> the CBD by the Moscow City Council and Mayor Nancy
> Cheney, in the resent decision to take more time to
> consider the granting of a CUP to NSA, has been
> labeled "liberal" and "leftist" by some in local
> media.
>
>
>
>     Are not "leftists" and "liberals" those who take
> a more anti-business stance regarding how government
> regulation impacts the so called "free market," than
> "right wingers" and "conservatives?"
>
>
>
>     If NSA could be replaced in the CBD by a free
> market profit making capitalist business (NSA could
> simply move outside the CBD), why is this not to the
> liking of those free market capitalist advocates
> (those who often are called conservatives or right
> wingers), who ostensibly seek to promote the
> inherent value of such institutions in our society?
>
>
>
>     It seems in this case that the so called
> liberals are championing capitalism in their
> critical view of NSA's activity in the CBD, while
> the so called conservatives are actually taking a
> stance in favor of a non-profit institution, whose
> goals are ostensibly not those of making a buck and
> getting rich offering goods or services.  Indeed,
> NSA is above this sort of crass capitalism, is it
> not?  Or am I wrong?  I might actually respect NSA
> in this regard, with some serious qualifications, if
> indeed they serve higher goals than making a killing
> worshiping the almighty dollar.  But business is
> business, and worshiping the almighty dollar is what
> the CBD is ostensibly about, I assume.  Again, am I
> wrong?
>
>
>
>     Are those who defend NSA "socialists," if they
> defend NSA against the pure goals of capitalism that
> the
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