[Vision2020] Eavesdropping
Phil Nisbet
pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 28 18:46:00 PST 2006
James
Which part of I did not support it under Clinton, who I have noted tapped my
phone, and therefore do not support it under Bush, did you not understand?
Phil Nisbet
>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:42:16 -0800
>
>Phil,
>I am glad to hear you agree that what the current government is doing is
>illegal and an impeachable offense.
>
>James
>
>
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:35:15 -0800
>>
>>James
>>
>>Illegal wiretapping was one of your points was it not. My phone was
>>tapped James and there was no warrant for the tap. As for protesting,
>>mine was done on private property and sending etters to the editor, not by
>>acts of civil disobediance in which the hope for arrest to make a point
>>was part of the protest.
>>
>>If you think its A OK for the government to tap phones, harrass, gather
>>intellegance on people solely because they hold rallies on private
>>property and gather patetions seeking redress of greviences, then by gum I
>>am sure glad that we do not have you in government James. Nixon was
>>forced to resign over his taps and his intellegence gathering on private
>>citizens and the other illegal activitites he engaged in and only a pardon
>>kept him from being rightly tried for his actions.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>>
>>
>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:23 -0800
>>>
>>>Good Lord Phil. You think because the Feds were watching you when you
>>>were an activist entails an impeachable offense?
>>>
>>>I've had to shoulder my way through Feds during the 80's when they were
>>>watching the activists demonstrating against Forest Service timber
>>>harvest plans in the Nez Perce Natl. Forest. They were there because
>>>wacko-pinkos like you some times go to far and endanger others lives and
>>>it was Federal ground. in that environment stories whirl around like
>>>wildfire. A logging comrade infiltrated the Picko's defenses (we were as
>>>hippy looking as them) just because they had some good looking women in
>>>their group. All-in-all it was great fun and baiting the Marshals was
>>>just a part of the time.
>>>
>>>Our founding fathers specifically made it our duty to protect the
>>>Constitution and Bill of Rights from a government that misuses their
>>>power. To not defend our country from this government is the moral crime.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:05:24 -0800
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>Not to put too fine a point on it, having been spied on by the Clinton
>>>>Administration, having been threatened by officials of the Clinton
>>>>Justice Department for organizing rallies and opposition to their
>>>>policies and even having had the pleasure of mobilization of BATF and
>>>>Marshals to "surround" my home, I think I can safely say that a lot of
>>>>pretty stupid things happened that were very actionable during the
>>>>Clinton Years.
>>>>
>>>>When I organized a 2000 person Rally in Salmon during the Central Idaho
>>>>Forest Injunction, attended by not only the town folk, but also every
>>>>single employee of the BLM and USFS, the DOJ tapped my phone without
>>>>warrant, called BLM personnel and threatened their jobs for any
>>>>association with me, though I was working with them at the time to
>>>>improve habitat, warned USFS folks who were friends that they intended
>>>>arresting me (Though for the life of me I have no idea what sort of
>>>>charge other than exercise of free speech could have been levied) and
>>>>even had a team of armed folks come to Salmon. When our Senators and
>>>>Congressmen came up for a follow-up rally that demanded the lifting of
>>>>the Forest injunction in a car convoy from Boise, Federal Marshals
>>>>tailed them as possible radical elements.
>>>>
>>>>I did what I normally do. I got with Dave Crosting of the BLM and we
>>>>took the BATF and Marshall's guys out for a beer, introduced them around
>>>>town, let them know that there was no dangerous revolution happening and
>>>>then hit the phones to DOJ to get them to back off. The Marshals told
>>>>us that DOJ had fed them that we were some sort of a Militia Group bent
>>>>on murdering Federal Employees, yet the picture in the Idaho Falls Post
>>>>Register (Jerry Brady's paper in Idaho Falls) showed I and the SO of the
>>>>Salmon National Forest and the local head of BLM doing a power salute
>>>>together at the very first rally. Mr. Lipschitz of the DOJ’s Office of
>>>>Environmental Litigation had claimed that we were marching with a
>>>>thousand POed ranchers to burn down the offices of the Salmon National
>>>>Forest, though how he would determine that from DC was hard to figure
>>>>and where one would find a thousand ranchers in Lemhi County was even
>>>>harder to determine.
>>>>
>>>>When actual militia types showed up in Salmon trying to exploit the bad
>>>>vibes created by the Clinton Administration's actions, we threw them out
>>>>of town. When militia types bulldozed McKim Creek to make a political
>>>>statement, destroying salmon redds in the process, I not only pushed to
>>>>have them prosecuted, testified at the trail that put them in Jail for
>>>>ten years, I rolled up my sleeves, raised money locally and cleaned the
>>>>site up (USFS did not have the funds to do so and asked for my help to
>>>>get the redds back into shape before the fish returned in Spring). That
>>>>did not stop the harassment I went through with Peter Lipschitz at DOJ
>>>>or his counterpart at the Council on Environmental Quality. I had an
>>>>FBI file an inch and a half thick by 1998 and I had committed not one
>>>>illegal act in my life.
>>>>
>>>>And through all of that, James, I held as I do now, that impeachment and
>>>>hate were a useless response and that revolution and other such talk was
>>>>a waste of breath. If one disagrees with a Federal Policy, the proper
>>>>action is to oppose it in the sphere of politics, to organize fellow
>>>>voters and to vote the rascals out. As I told the crazy militia people,
>>>>take an American flag and Piss on it and grind it into the dust, because
>>>>that is what any person who talks revolution is really doing.
>>>>
>>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:25:33 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>Phil,
>>>>>
>>>>>Clinton was impeached, he just was not removed from office because
>>>>>lying about an extramarital affair was not a crime worthy of removing
>>>>>him. However lying to get a war started and illegally spying on the
>>>>>American people (and lying about this also) are two crimes that are not
>>>>>only impeachable offenses but are definitely worthy of removal. Is he
>>>>>guilty? Hell yes. Will he be impeached? Hell no. Why not? Because we
>>>>>have a pathetic congress that only thinks of their individual wealth
>>>>>accumulation.
>>>>>
>>>>>I reiterate that this is not about Clinton vs. Bush nor Republican vs
>>>>>Democrat. The current battle is between the American people and a self
>>>>>centered government. Impeachment is not enough we need a revolution to
>>>>>replace this mess and start again with the Constitution once again as
>>>>>our guiding document.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>To: ophite at gmail.com
>>>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:20:28 -0800
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andreas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seems to me that is fairly assumptive. I for one was pretty strongly
>>>>>>opposed to the impeachment process at the time. A lot of people in
>>>>>>the GOP who did not care of many a Clinton Policy were also opposed.
>>>>>>Had they not been, Clinton would have been impeached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not all Republicans or conservatives were Clinton haters, that is
>>>>>>folks who would believe absolutely anything and foam at the mouth for
>>>>>>Clinton's blood. I seem to recall any number of liberal Democratic
>>>>>>friends who said at that time that if the shoe was on the other foot,
>>>>>>they would act differently and that we should remember the President
>>>>>>was the President for all Americans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you see any difference between the Clinton haters who had him
>>>>>>plotting to kill girls he had slept with and sending Chinese secret
>>>>>>agents ;to get bribe money or plot to overthrow the government and the
>>>>>>folks now who see the same crazy thing going down with Bush?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reality is that America did not disappear in the last years of the
>>>>>>Clinton Administration and it will not disappear in the last years of
>>>>>>the Bush one either. All the talk of revolution then was hot air and
>>>>>>the same is true now. Heck I would be glad to pull up some of the
>>>>>>1940's stuff that was going around screaming the exact same thing
>>>>>>about FDR. Its been 65 years since those rants about Imperial
>>>>>>Presidencies and war mongering and destroying our rights and shock and
>>>>>>amazement, America is actually freer now than then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>CC: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:45:59 -0800
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 2/27/06, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Oh, Yes! Lets get someone else who for years will suck up money
>>>>>>>and come
>>>>>>> > up with no real answers...it is a great system for using up funds
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>> > aren't needed somewhere else!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Funny. That doesn't seem to have been your opinion when it was a
>>>>>>>pointless
>>>>>>>investigation of Clinton that was the issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-- ACS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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