[Vision2020] Eavesdropping
James Reynolds
chapandmaize at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 28 13:42:16 PST 2006
Phil,
I am glad to hear you agree that what the current government is doing is
illegal and an impeachable offense.
James
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:35:15 -0800
>
>James
>
>Illegal wiretapping was one of your points was it not. My phone was tapped
>James and there was no warrant for the tap. As for protesting, mine was
>done on private property and sending etters to the editor, not by acts of
>civil disobediance in which the hope for arrest to make a point was part of
>the protest.
>
>If you think its A OK for the government to tap phones, harrass, gather
>intellegance on people solely because they hold rallies on private property
>and gather patetions seeking redress of greviences, then by gum I am sure
>glad that we do not have you in government James. Nixon was forced to
>resign over his taps and his intellegence gathering on private citizens and
>the other illegal activitites he engaged in and only a pardon kept him from
>being rightly tried for his actions.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:23 -0800
>>
>>Good Lord Phil. You think because the Feds were watching you when you were
>>an activist entails an impeachable offense?
>>
>>I've had to shoulder my way through Feds during the 80's when they were
>>watching the activists demonstrating against Forest Service timber harvest
>>plans in the Nez Perce Natl. Forest. They were there because wacko-pinkos
>>like you some times go to far and endanger others lives and it was Federal
>>ground. in that environment stories whirl around like wildfire. A logging
>>comrade infiltrated the Picko's defenses (we were as hippy looking as
>>them) just because they had some good looking women in their group.
>>All-in-all it was great fun and baiting the Marshals was just a part of
>>the time.
>>
>>Our founding fathers specifically made it our duty to protect the
>>Constitution and Bill of Rights from a government that misuses their
>>power. To not defend our country from this government is the moral crime.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:05:24 -0800
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>Not to put too fine a point on it, having been spied on by the Clinton
>>>Administration, having been threatened by officials of the Clinton
>>>Justice Department for organizing rallies and opposition to their
>>>policies and even having had the pleasure of mobilization of BATF and
>>>Marshals to "surround" my home, I think I can safely say that a lot of
>>>pretty stupid things happened that were very actionable during the
>>>Clinton Years.
>>>
>>>When I organized a 2000 person Rally in Salmon during the Central Idaho
>>>Forest Injunction, attended by not only the town folk, but also every
>>>single employee of the BLM and USFS, the DOJ tapped my phone without
>>>warrant, called BLM personnel and threatened their jobs for any
>>>association with me, though I was working with them at the time to
>>>improve habitat, warned USFS folks who were friends that they intended
>>>arresting me (Though for the life of me I have no idea what sort of
>>>charge other than exercise of free speech could have been levied) and
>>>even had a team of armed folks come to Salmon. When our Senators and
>>>Congressmen came up for a follow-up rally that demanded the lifting of
>>>the Forest injunction in a car convoy from Boise, Federal Marshals tailed
>>>them as possible radical elements.
>>>
>>>I did what I normally do. I got with Dave Crosting of the BLM and we
>>>took the BATF and Marshall's guys out for a beer, introduced them around
>>>town, let them know that there was no dangerous revolution happening and
>>>then hit the phones to DOJ to get them to back off. The Marshals told us
>>>that DOJ had fed them that we were some sort of a Militia Group bent on
>>>murdering Federal Employees, yet the picture in the Idaho Falls Post
>>>Register (Jerry Brady's paper in Idaho Falls) showed I and the SO of the
>>>Salmon National Forest and the local head of BLM doing a power salute
>>>together at the very first rally. Mr. Lipschitz of the DOJ’s Office of
>>>Environmental Litigation had claimed that we were marching with a
>>>thousand POed ranchers to burn down the offices of the Salmon National
>>>Forest, though how he would determine that from DC was hard to figure and
>>>where one would find a thousand ranchers in Lemhi County was even harder
>>>to determine.
>>>
>>>When actual militia types showed up in Salmon trying to exploit the bad
>>>vibes created by the Clinton Administration's actions, we threw them out
>>>of town. When militia types bulldozed McKim Creek to make a political
>>>statement, destroying salmon redds in the process, I not only pushed to
>>>have them prosecuted, testified at the trail that put them in Jail for
>>>ten years, I rolled up my sleeves, raised money locally and cleaned the
>>>site up (USFS did not have the funds to do so and asked for my help to
>>>get the redds back into shape before the fish returned in Spring). That
>>>did not stop the harassment I went through with Peter Lipschitz at DOJ or
>>>his counterpart at the Council on Environmental Quality. I had an FBI
>>>file an inch and a half thick by 1998 and I had committed not one illegal
>>>act in my life.
>>>
>>>And through all of that, James, I held as I do now, that impeachment and
>>>hate were a useless response and that revolution and other such talk was
>>>a waste of breath. If one disagrees with a Federal Policy, the proper
>>>action is to oppose it in the sphere of politics, to organize fellow
>>>voters and to vote the rascals out. As I told the crazy militia people,
>>>take an American flag and Piss on it and grind it into the dust, because
>>>that is what any person who talks revolution is really doing.
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:25:33 -0800
>>>>
>>>>Phil,
>>>>
>>>>Clinton was impeached, he just was not removed from office because lying
>>>>about an extramarital affair was not a crime worthy of removing him.
>>>>However lying to get a war started and illegally spying on the American
>>>>people (and lying about this also) are two crimes that are not only
>>>>impeachable offenses but are definitely worthy of removal. Is he guilty?
>>>>Hell yes. Will he be impeached? Hell no. Why not? Because we have a
>>>>pathetic congress that only thinks of their individual wealth
>>>>accumulation.
>>>>
>>>>I reiterate that this is not about Clinton vs. Bush nor Republican vs
>>>>Democrat. The current battle is between the American people and a self
>>>>centered government. Impeachment is not enough we need a revolution to
>>>>replace this mess and start again with the Constitution once again as
>>>>our guiding document.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: ophite at gmail.com
>>>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:20:28 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>>Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems to me that is fairly assumptive. I for one was pretty strongly
>>>>>opposed to the impeachment process at the time. A lot of people in the
>>>>>GOP who did not care of many a Clinton Policy were also opposed. Had
>>>>>they not been, Clinton would have been impeached.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not all Republicans or conservatives were Clinton haters, that is folks
>>>>>who would believe absolutely anything and foam at the mouth for
>>>>>Clinton's blood. I seem to recall any number of liberal Democratic
>>>>>friends who said at that time that if the shoe was on the other foot,
>>>>>they would act differently and that we should remember the President
>>>>>was the President for all Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you see any difference between the Clinton haters who had him
>>>>>plotting to kill girls he had slept with and sending Chinese secret
>>>>>agents ;to get bribe money or plot to overthrow the government and the
>>>>>folks now who see the same crazy thing going down with Bush?
>>>>>
>>>>>Reality is that America did not disappear in the last years of the
>>>>>Clinton Administration and it will not disappear in the last years of
>>>>>the Bush one either. All the talk of revolution then was hot air and
>>>>>the same is true now. Heck I would be glad to pull up some of the
>>>>>1940's stuff that was going around screaming the exact same thing about
>>>>>FDR. Its been 65 years since those rants about Imperial Presidencies
>>>>>and war mongering and destroying our rights and shock and amazement,
>>>>>America is actually freer now than then.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>>>CC: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:45:59 -0800
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2/27/06, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Oh, Yes! Lets get someone else who for years will suck up money and
>>>>>>come
>>>>>> > up with no real answers...it is a great system for using up funds
>>>>>>that
>>>>>> > aren't needed somewhere else!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Funny. That doesn't seem to have been your opinion when it was a
>>>>>>pointless
>>>>>>investigation of Clinton that was the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-- ACS
>>>>>
>>>>>
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