[Vision2020] 02-25-06 LA Times: Trust the truth

[Phil Nisbet]

Chas

Slander and liable are not free speech.  Knowingly making false statements 
with the intent to mislead is also chargeable.

If a company puts out claims, for an example, which prove demonstrably 
false, they are not only liable for tort action by any parties harmed by 
their false statements, they are also criminally charged.

That is true in the USA or there would have been no way that the States 
could have extracted that huge amount of money from the Tobbaco companies.  
If your premise on this was correct, then Ligget and the rest could have 
said, "Hey we were simply expressing our first amendment rights to say as we 
wish, so why should we be fined or charged?".

Irving knew that his statements were false.  He used his statements to sell 
a product.  The product he sold caused material harm to victims of the 
crimes he claimed were lying about their experiances.   His product had and 
has serious potential to cause additional harm.

Anmerican solutions for this would be fining the man to the tune of huge 
bucks.  Austria's solution is to put him in jail for a couple of years.

Now if Irvings statements were matters of opinion and suggested as being 
matters of opinion, that would be very different.  Iriving claimed that his 
statements were matters of fact, when the evidence was clear that his 
statements were indeed false and he knew them to be false.  I am not sure 
that this makes him a martyr to anybody who is not already a raving Nazi 
lying sack of crap anyway.

Phil Nisbet


>From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>CC: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 02-25-06 LA Times: Trust the truth
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:52:44 -0800
>
>David Irving is an ass, and a racist pig, but of course it is
>ridiculous, and ultimately counterproductive, to send him to prison
>for what should be a free speech issue (although apparently, and
>unfortunately, in Austria, free speech only exits if you are
>expressing popular opinions).
>
>Great move, Austria, making David a martyr for the mentally incontinent.
>
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