[Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll throughTheocraticParkIIIor
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Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Mon Feb 20 20:29:36 PST 2006
Matt,
I fear that you did not read the post very carefully again.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <deco at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll
throughTheocraticParkIIIor Oh that
> Art,
>
> Ok what specific "facts" or statements have been said in which you think
> he should be investigated for? Not only are you implying slanderous things
> towards Donovan, but you are looking like a complete ass for assumptions
> in which you have no idea.
>
> Not everyone, if not most will agree with Donovan, however, that doesn't
> give anyone the right to mudsling or make false accuasations. I am not
> dissagreeing with you that Donovan can come off as a little harsh or
> coarse. That should not imply(which you are doing) that he carries that
> attitude into work, where he would do unlawfull things with.
>
> you said, "I do not know how Donovan behaves with his care recipients".
> Then why in the world would you call for investigations?
>
> Matt
>
>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll
>>throughTheocraticParkIIIor Oh that
>>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:43:47 -0800
>>
>>Well Matt,
>>
>>First of all, if you read carefully you will find that I made no
>>"assumptions", "inferences", nor accusations about Donovan's off V 2020
>>behavior with respect to his care recipients.
>>
>>1. I made some observations about Donovan's V 2020 behavior, with which
>>so far no one has disagreed with, in fact all seemed to have agreed.
>>
>>2. I made no allegations, I merely made what I thought might be a
>>reasonable suggestion about an inquiry given the facts available.
>>
>>3. I see nothing in the post you criticize that might be interpreted as
>>"trying to silence" Donovan; "trying to get him to think about the effect
>>of his postings on others and possibly change it", yes.
>>
>>4. Keely, Andreas, you, and I am sure, others did not agree with my
>>approach.
>>
>>First, I would like to say that if anyone were to suggest that on the
>>basis of the various natures of my V 2020 postings, that I'd be an unfit
>>caretaker, they would be absolutely right! I have neither the patience
>>nor the skill set to succeed at such a position. The only care position
>>at which I have been reasonably effective is as a pet owner.
>>
>>Second, unfortunately, many years ago due to a serious accident my elderly
>>mother was placed in a care facility, where much to our horror after a few
>>days, we discovered that she was being mentally and physically abused. We
>>only discovered this by observing certain behaviors on her part and then
>>carefully questioning her out of the earshot of her caretakers. We moved
>>her immediately.
>>
>>Looking back at those very haunting times my suffering, almost totally
>>helpless mother must have experienced, I can see that I should have become
>>wiser about the abuse much sooner based on the temperament of one of the
>>caregivers whose personality sometimes resembled that which Donovan
>>exhibits on V 2020.
>>
>>Since the time of my mother's ordeal, I have learned a great deal about
>>organizational abuse in care facilities. One of the horrific things I
>>learned is the disinclination to discharge known abusers since finding
>>people to fill those positions is very difficult.
>>
>>Unlike apparently yourself, Keely and Andreas, my life's experiences have
>>led me to believe that a person's behavior in one arena is often, but not
>>always, an indication of how they behave in other arenas. Other believe
>>the same: That is why comprehensive background checks are ran on
>>individuals applying for certain kinds of jobs.
>>
>>. He may be the cat's pajamas. I have had only one interaction with him
>>in person of any length and his behavior during that interaction was
>>similar to that which he exhibits on V 2020. However, I believe in erring
>>on the safe side when a question arises about possible harm to be people
>>who not able to care for themselves. That is one of the reasons I made
>>the inquiry suggestion so that someone with standing in a position to act,
>>would. The other reason is explained above.
>>
>>If these reasons offend anyone, then I will just have to accept that as
>>part of the nature of the world.
>>
>>
>>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>deco at moscow.com
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>To: <deco at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:45 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll
>>throughTheocraticParkIIIor Oh that
>>
>>
>>>Art,
>>>
>>>Cmon! Just because you don't agree with Donovan should not give you the
>>>right to assume or infer in public, that he is breaking the law. There
>>>should be no reason what so ever to imply this unless you had proof,
>>>which I dought you do. If you did then the police should know about it
>>>first, not us.
>>>
>>>I find it hypocritical that you slam Doug Wilson for trying to silence
>>>his opposition, and now use the same tactics to silence Donovan.
>>>
>>>MD
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll
>>>>throughTheocraticParkIIIor Oh that Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:18:44 -0800
>>>>
>>>>Keely,
>>>>
>>>>And with his abusive, striking out, despotic views, we let him continue
>>>>to be a caregiver for the disabled and the elderly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Additionally, since this matter has now been raised publicly on this
>>>>forum several times, and since several public officials read this forum,
>>>>then various public agencies, and ultimately the taxpayers, may
>>>>eventually have a very hefty liability should Donovan's V 2020 behavior
>>>>accurately reflect his relationship with one or more of his care
>>>>recipients.
>>>>
>>>>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>>>deco at moscow.com
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>>To: <metzler at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:02 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through
>>>>TheocraticParkIIIor Oh that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Donovan, is it possible for someone to disagree with you without your
>>>>>assuming that they're lying, evincing poor character and malicious
>>>>>intent, and just plain icky besides? Michael says he was at a meeting
>>>>>in which Doug Wilson said the movie was OK to him. Nothing sensational
>>>>>there, and so I'm going to take a reckless step toward understanding
>>>>>and just assume that Doug did, in fact, say that. It seems a lot more
>>>>>reasonable than lashing out at the film, those who applaud it, the
>>>>>filmmaker, those portrayed in it, and, I'm guessing, the projectionist
>>>>>who first threaded the reel.
>>>>>
>>>>>In fiction, there has to be an antagonist and a protagonist; in real
>>>>>life, most people are just going through their days without intending
>>>>>to be characters in some Donovanic melodrama. Would it be so hard to
>>>>>just figure that disagreement is part of life, not a harbinger of some
>>>>>nefarious plot?
>>>>>
>>>>>keely
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>From: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>
>>>>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>Subject: [Vision2020] A Sunday afternoon stroll through Theocratic
>>>>>ParkIIIor Oh that Dougie he's so mean
>>>>>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:58 -0800
>>>>>
>>>>> [I originally wrote]:"Actually, Doug Wilson informed us at a Head of
>>>>>Household Meeting that he thought the movie did a good job at fairly
>>>>>presenting both sides; Wilson went further to say that some of it was
>>>>>even
>>>>>informative for him, presenting some actors or scenes that he was not
>>>>>aware
>>>>>of. After that public statement, however, it's viewing was never
>>>>>promoted
>>>>>to my recollection. (recall that Wilson has sought to put an end to
>>>>>Vision2020 and Daily News)" M. Metzler
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Donovan Writes In Response:
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you have an evidence of this, or are we to take your account as the
>>>>>one
>>>>>and only truth?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Me:
>>>>>
>>>>>I am a member of Christ Church. I was present at the meeting as a
>>>>>submissive member of Christ Church glorying in our vanquishing of the
>>>>>intoleristas. I recall Wilson stating this right up the middle; feel
>>>>>free to
>>>>>ask another kirker who was present at this meeting if you have some
>>>>>lurking
>>>>>suspicion that I am making this up or twisting the facts. To my
>>>>>knowledge,
>>>>>Wilson would sign off on my statements here unhesitatingly. I will
>>>>>continue
>>>>>to assert what I know first hand without sending you the signatures of
>>>>>three
>>>>>other witnesses. Feel free to evidentially challenge any claim I make
>>>>>however.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Donovan Writes:
>>>>>I think it is unhealthy and bad practice to mix your friends, religion,
>>>>>politics and job all into one group of people. Talk about setting
>>>>>yourself
>>>>>up. Most Catholics I know, and there are many, do not behave this way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Me:
>>>>>
>>>>>So now you are chastising all member of Christ Church for being members
>>>>>of
>>>>>Christ Church? Thank you for your merciful help. I should note that
>>>>>anyone
>>>>>moving to town who is simply conservative and reformed would by default
>>>>>join
>>>>>himself or herself to Christ Church (unless he is exposed to outside
>>>>>information, which apparently you wish to suppress).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael Metzler
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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