[Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,
Says Bush Should Be Impeached
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 17 10:19:01 PST 2006
What articles of impeachment? The ones for Johnson or the ones from Clinton? Those are the only two that have ever been written.
_DJA
James Reynolds <chapandmaize at hotmail.com> wrote: I read somewhere that when the articles of impeachment were written it was
noted that one of the most impeachable offenses a sitting President could be
tried for was leading the country to a war based on lies in which American
lives are subsequently lost. Hopefully I read this from my own library which
I will search this weekend. Has anyone else seen this?
Impeachment is not going to happen anyway because the congress has to
initiate it and this pathetic congress would rather our country be destroyed
than to admit the president is a criminal and proceed accordingly.
James Reynolds
>From: Donovan Arnold
>To: Sunil Ramalingam , vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,Says Bush Should Be
>Impeached
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:10:27 -0800 (PST)
>
>Sunil,
>
> Fair enough if you wish to see it that way. But I do not think Bush is
>impeachable at this point. People voted for him and he was elected fair
>and square. We can not just oust him because we realized that he is the
>worst President of the United States since Warren G. Harding. I think
>Democrats at this point should be grateful that Bush is in office, it is
>the only thing they have going for them.
>
> On the note of the war, I do not have a problem with people that are
>for it or not for it. I have a problem with the people that were for it,
>then when we went in, they switched sides. That is just wrong. The WMD had
>nothing to do with decision to go in. It was just another Presidential lie
>exposed and exploited.
>
>
> Democrats need to stop being on the offensive and start being
>productive.
>
> Impeachment and Removal are two different things. Two presidents were
>impeached, but not removed. Saying someone should be impeached is not the
>same thing as saying they should be removed. It shows ignorance of how the
>system works and the terms mean. It is not a play on words, it is a
>misunderstanding of the process and proper terms.
>
> The impeachment and removal process should not be engaged based on the
>popularity of the President, or agreement with his decisions, or even for
>lying. It should be used for the purposes of removing a criminal-ONLY.
>
> Take Care,
>
> _DJA
>
>Sunil Ramalingam wrote: My responses below
>Donovan's:
>
> >
> >Sunil,
> >
> > The impeachment takes place in the House of Representatives. The
>Senate
> >does not vote on impeachment, EVER. It votes to remove or not remove the
> >President based only on the charges set forth by the House of
> >Representatives.
>
>Donovan, you've just restated what I said. The House impeaches, but that's
>where the charge is brought. The charge is tried by the Senate. They
>decide by voting. Sure, that never happens if the House doesn't vote on it
>themselves and send it up, but the ultimate decision will be made by the
>Senate, with a vote. If you want to insist that this does not amount to
>voting on impeachment, you're playing a strange word game.
>
> > And no, the correct place to start with the process of removing a
>person
> >from political office is not with a resolution, but with consensus that
>a
> >crime has been committed.
>
> >From this randomly Googled site:
>http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/
>I extract and offer you this quote:
>
>"Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives
>are
>turned over to the House Judiciary Committee which decides whether the
>resolution and its allegations of wrongdoing by the President merits a
>referral to the full House for a vote on launching a formal impeachment
>inquiry. "
>
>Fine, maybe it starts with consensus that a crime has been committed. But
>without a resolution, seems to me that consensus consists of a lot of
>people
>talking and nothing else happening.
> >
> > I do not agree with Bush's decision to go to war, but then again I did
> >not vote for the War Resolution that 60% of Democrats did. It Bush is
> >impeachable for what happened in Iraq so is every Senator that voted to
>go
> >to war.
>
>Not if they weren't cherry-picking intelligence. Are they culpable? For
>cowardice, sure, but the ultimate decision was Bush's. He could have
>waited
>for the inspectors to complete their work. He didn't, and later he claimed
>Saddam didn't let them in.
>
> >
> > Why is it that Senators are not impeachable for giving a drunken idiot
> >unchecked use of the US Military?
>
>I don't think what they did was impeachable. I think it was cowardly, and
>I
>am ashamed of the Democrats who voted for the war. There's Hillary,
>positioning herself for the next election and still pro-war. I also think
>the Republicans timed the vote before the election because they knew the
>Democrats were afraid to vote against it. And I think their calculation
>was
>correct: The Democrats would have been voted out if they voted against the
>war.
>
>Who do we blame for that? Don't we all have to look in the mirror?
> >
> > I am glad we can agree that the Democratic approach of removing
> >Republicans from office is not that stellar.
> >
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >
> >
> >Sunil Ramalingam wrote: Ah, using that
> >political science degree again, Donovan. But doesn't the
> >article say he's urging Rhode Island's CONGRESSMEN (emphasis added) to
> >co-sponsor an impeachment resolution?
> >
> >Isn't that the correct course of action if that is where the impeachment
> >process begins?
> >
> >And then, let me see, doesn't the actual impeachment trial take place in
> >the
> >Senate? So if this guy were to be elected to the Senate, wouldn't he be
> >able to vote on the issue, should such a thing come to pass?
> >
> >If you want to critique whether or not this is a sound strategy for the
> >Dems, that's another matter, and have at it. But don't you think you're
>a
> >little off-base if you criticize him for not knowing how the impeachment
> >process works?
> >
> >Sunil
> >
> >
> > >From: Donovan Arnold
> > >To: Tom Hansen , Moscow Vision 2020
> > >
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Candidate, Former Marine,Says Bush Should Be
> > >Impeached
> > >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:16:55 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >WOW! Stop the presses, a Democratic senatorial candidate in a liberal
> > >state says Bush should be impeached. What a rarity. To bad he cannot
> > >explain why he is running for the Senate when it the House that does
>the
> > >impeaching.
> > >
> > > I know I want to nominate the Democratic candidate that has no ideas
> >of
> > >his own and does not understand how the impeachment process works but
> >can
> > >hurl the most insults and radical statements they can at Bush and
>other
> > >Republicans. That way we can spend another 2 years wondering why we
> >cannot
> > >beat them even though they had only a 27% approval rating.
> > >
> > > If Democrats would learn that the way to win elections is to focus
>on
> > >the future, have a positive attitude and explain what would be
>different
> > >if they were in office and why it would be better, then we could win
> >some
> > >elections and make this country a better place. But we won't, because
>it
> > >is easier to complain about the past and Bush bash then it is to lead
> >and
> > >present new ideas and solutions.
> > >
> > > _DJA
> > >
> > >Tom Hansen wrote: >From today's Army times
> > >(www.ArmyTimes.com)
> > >
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Candidate, former Marine, says Bush should be impeached
> > >
> > >By Rick Maze
> > >Times staff writer
> > >
> > >A former Marine running for the U.S. Senate says President Bush should
>be
> > >impeached for taking the nation to war in Iraq.
> > >
> > >Carl Sheller, running as a Democratic candidate in the Rhode Island
> > >primary,
> > >wants his fellow Democratic candidates to join him in urging the
>state's
> > >two
> > >Democratic congressmen, Patrick Kennedy and James Langevin, to
>co-sponsor
> >a
> > >resolution calling for Bush's impeachment. The resolution, HRes 635, is
> > >sponsored by Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., and has 24 co-sponsors.
> > >
> > >It calls for creation of a committee to investigate possible
>impeachment
> > >charges against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for misleading
> > >Congress and the American public about reasons for beginning military
> > >operations against Iraq.
> > >
> > >Sheller, a former Marine captain, said in a statement that he faults
>the
> > >Bush administration for many things, among them being wrong on defense
> >and
> > >national security issues.
> > >
> > >"Bush lied about being strong on defense," Sheller said. "His military
> > >spending shortchanges combat troops and veterans while enriching
>cronies
> > >and
> > >contractors."
> > >
> > >Sheller's campaign has paid for billboards along Interstate 95 in Rhode
> > >Island calling for Bush's impeachment.
> > >
> > >Sheller was a Marine combat and staff officer in the early 1990s,
>mostly
> >in
> > >the reserves, were he was an armor officer. He was mobilized in support
> >of
> > >Operation Desert Storm, although he did not see combat. He was a family
> > >liaison officer.
> > >
> > >In a letter to Rhode Island veterans last summer seeking their support
> >for
> > >his campaign, Sheller summed up his service in one sentence: "Often, I
> > >served well and sometimes I fell on my sword."
> > >
> > >Sheller said he joined the Marine Corps after missing out on a
>nomination
> > >to
> > >the U.S. Air Force Academy because of a broken wrist.
> > >
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >The state motto of Rhode Island is "Hope". I believe we can add a
> > >heart-felt "Semper Fi" to it as well.
> > >
> > >Pro patria,
> > >
> > >Tom "Proud to be a Veteran" Hansen
> > >Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > >"I love my country but fear my government."
> > >
> > >- Author Unknown
> > >
> > >
> > >
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